So after the PR stunt, this comes out??

[asgarth]

The only stunts being pulled are from Hearn. Wilder is deadly serious about fighting AJ and has done everything humanely possible to get the fight made short of licking Hearn's boots.

We're supposed to believe Wilder would purposely embarrass himself by making an offer only to later say, "oops, sorry...I don't have the money!"? It was a genuine offer and Hearn can easily have it verified through the proper channels. Where's his counter-offer? Why doesn't he pick up the phone and speak to the right people instead of making vague statements.

Oh, and the way he always says, "That's not how it works" when he's asked and then does that ****** smirk like he's in the know and everyone else is just naive. In his mind, he's the greatest promoter that's ever lived and Wilder is just some country bumpkin managed by interns.

Anyone with an iota of common sense can see through his and AJ's charade. He thinks he's slick, but he's not. He's just a smug cvnt who inherited his father's contacts and now thinks he runs boxing.

I also question why Hearn does not just accept the 50 mio offer. If he isnt satisfied with the terms of the contract, he could still back out of the offer and use his usual schtick to bend the public perception in his favour.

But on the other hand, if Wilder is so deadset on making the fight, they still should meet up with hearn without him accepting the deal. If they believe the offer is so good, that hearn cant deny it, they should have a meeting with him.

[N/A]

Yeah there is less security if more money when it comes to negotiation. In the real world am sorry it doesn't work like that.

You just don't understand the process and you're taking at face value the lies of Eddie Hearn. He doesn't want the fight next. He's making excuses. You don't know any better, so you believe what he says. That is your problem here.

What would be VERY TYPICAL in boxing would be that the two parties have a fundamental understanding on what the financial arrangement would be and then you sit down to hammer out everything else.

What Hearn is trying to do is act like he wanted to negotiate the fight and use the meeting for PR reasons to spin why the fight didn't happen. They're not going to sit with him if 50 million isn't enough. If 50 million is enough, assuming other details are to his liking, then they can sit down and try to negotiate those details. But if Hearn won't accept 50 million, no matter what, under any circumstance, what is there to discuss in person?

[N/A]

So why can't Hearn and AJ have some sort of understanding on where the money is coming by having a meeting they asked for to better understand it.. before committing and saying "we accept"

All they have to say is, "if we're comfortable with where the money is coming from, and other details are negotiated to our satisfaction, we would accept 50 million." Then they can sit down to talk over the other details. But so far, Hearn has refused to say that he would accept the offer even if all the other details were kosher. If he's not willing to accept 50 million under any circumstance, there's no reason to meet.

You know damn well if they said it and sat down and then weren't happy with the other particulars such as marketing.. venue control etc and said no we aren't doing that,, that wilder fanboys Including you three on this shill account would cry duck.

AJ said give me 50 million. They're willing to give him 50 million. Obviously the fight needs to be in Vegas to generate the most revenue. All the other particulars would be easily negotiated. When both sides want a fight, it gets done. It's just Hearn making excuses to save face.

[N/A]

Another LIE !



Finkel SPECIFICALLY said in his Email that they wanted the Joshua fight at the END of the year which means they have a fight lined up NOW .

Wilder's offer made it very clear that neither side could take an interim fight. It would have to be the next fight for both fighters. So no, it doesn't mean they could take another fight now. If AJ accepts, AJ and Wilder wouldn't fight anyone else in between. Both sides have confirmed that was part of the offer.

[Ray*]

You just don't understand the process and you're taking at face value the lies of Eddie Hearn.

I don't give a toss about Eddie Hearn, I dont know how many times am going to say this to a lot of posters on here. Not all of us are fanboys of a boxers and his promoter.

Am going by what am seeing from both sides. This for me is a PR stunt, i would never be able to accept that a 50million dollar offer doesn't come with lets sit down and trash this out.

I thought this fight was easy to make after they made that offer. AJ has come out and said If they thinkits worth 50m, then give me that and i would sign tomorrow....So anyone making a 50M dollar offer doesn't need to wait for "Please accept" then we can talk.

[SuperSuperLeeds]

No kool aid Ray? What about the sodium fluoride in our drinking water that's worse then kool aid lol

https://www.globalhealingcenter.com/...s-of-fluoride/

Its not worse than the water in flint and depending where you are in the uk we have in general less fluoride ppm than the US

[N/A]

I don't give a toss about Eddie Hearn, I dont know how many times am going to say this to a lot of posters on here. Not all of us are fanboys of a boxers and his promoter.

But you're constantly parroting Hearn's position, so clearly his interviews work on you. Wilder doesn't really have someone publicly presenting his side all the time like AJ does. Not to mention AJ has way more fans. So the propaganda from AJ's side is way more effective.

Am going by what am seeing from both sides. This for me is a PR stunt, i would never be able to accept that a 50million dollar offer doesn't come with lets sit down and trash this out.

It's not an either/or situation. An offer can be both legitimate and also announced in a way to maximize publicity. Having spoken to both someone on the Wilder side and someone on the Showtime side, I have no doubt that the offer is real. Showtime is willing to bankroll the fight. If Hearn says, "we would accept 50 million as the compensation if the other deal points end up being agreeable," then Finkel & Haymon would sit down with him right away to start hammering out those other deal points. But there's nothing to discuss if Hearn won't take 50 million no matter what. That's all the Wilder side is asking for. Confirm that 50 million would be acceptable, pending other details, and then everyone can get to work on seeing if those other details can be agreed to or not.

I thought this fight was easy to make after they made that offer. AJ has come out and said If they thinkits worth 50m, then give me that and i would sign tomorrow....So anyone making a 50M dollar offer doesn't need to wait for "Please accept" then we can talk.

Here is the problem. AJ doesn't have the legal right to accept the offer. Hearn has an exclusive promotional agreement. Hearn has said a lot of things, but the one thing he hasn't said is, "YES I WILL AGREE TO THEIR MONETARY PROPOSAL IF THE DETAILS ARE NEGOTIATED TO MUTUAL SATISFACTION."

There's not one single quote from Hearn saying he'll agree in principle to the financial aspect on the condition everything else ends up being kosher.

All Haymon & Finkel are trying to do is get confirmation that the biggest stumbling block (the money) has been overcome, then all the other stuff can be negotiated. This is how all of the biggest fights in history have been made. You get an agreement in principle on the money and then you start hammering out everything else.

[McNulty]

Don’t know the meaning of that to be honest.

You're trippin.

[Jubei]

Eddie Hearn said that weeks ago that this fight is already signed behind closed doors. Seems like he was right all along. People here still defending Wilder and his team who are not even willing to negotiate are just purely pathetic. I mean i get that you have some bias to fighters from your homecountry, but damn this goes to far.

[Ray*]

But you're constantly parroting Hearn's position, so clearly his interviews work on you. Wilder doesn't really have someone publicly presenting his side all the time like AJ does. Not to mention AJ has way more fans. So the propaganda from AJ's side is way more effective.




It's not an either/or situation. An offer can be both legitimate and also announced in a way to maximize publicity. Having spoken to both someone on the Wilder side and someone on the Showtime side, I have no doubt that the offer is real. Showtime is willing to bankroll the fight. If Hearn says, "we would accept 50 million as the compensation if the other deal points end up being agreeable," then Finkel & Haymon would sit down with him right away to start hammering out those other deal points. But there's nothing to discuss if Hearn won't take 50 million no matter what. That's all the Wilder side is asking for. Confirm that 50 million would be acceptable, pending other details, and then everyone can get to work on seeing if those other details can be agreed to or not.




Here is the problem. AJ doesn't have the legal right to accept the offer. Hearn has an exclusive promotional agreement. Hearn has said a lot of things, but the one thing he hasn't said is, "YES I WILL AGREE TO THEIR MONETARY PROPOSAL IF THE DETAILS ARE NEGOTIATED TO MUTUAL SATISFACTION."

There's not one single quote from Hearn saying he'll agree in principle to the financial aspect on the condition everything else ends up being kosher.

All Haymon & Finkel are trying to do is get confirmation that the biggest stumbling block (the money) has been overcome, then all the other stuff can be negotiated. This is how all of the biggest fights in history have been made. You get an agreement in principle on the money and then you start hammering out everything else.

Parroting my view, i don’t listen to Hearn that’s for us. I think guys pay more attention to him than people in this country. My stance would never change. This is a PR stunt. For that amount of money i would expect someone to sit down and iron out details. Not cancel meetings that would help propel negotiations.