May 5th explained for those who are confused

[TonyGe]

No one is blaming Golden Boy for GGG not fighting Sergei D. I am blaming Golden Boy and Canelo for killing the May 5th fight and putting us in this situation in the first place.



Correction. GGG is settling for an inactive fighter who last fought at 154. Better options were busy with other fights or would cost too much to fit in the budget HBO is providing for the fight.



First of all, I would like to point out the irony of people whining about GGG taking on Vanes M. in a stay busy fight instead of Sergei D. Isn't Sergei D. the same guy who took on a man with a .500 record in a scheduled 8 round stay busy fight this past January. I guess when you're GGG people's standards for stay busy fights are much lower.

Secondly, I have explained my position very explicitly. If you have an actual counter argument then make it. Regurgitating the same nonsense I explained away without adding anything else to it says nothing but you don't care about making a logical argument.

HBO was only offering 1 million dollars for the fight. The only way there was a chance that both GGG and Sergei D would make enough money to satisfy both sides is if the fight was on PPV. How many people do you know would have the interest and the money to buy a PPV fight headlined by GGG and Sergei D? Do you think 3 weeks would worth of promotion would have been enough to really drive sales? On top of that you better hope that GGG vs. Sergei D fight is amazing because that undercard would be straight up doo doo. With such short notice and such a small budget they wouldn't even be able to afford to pay quality guys for showcase fights. It would easily be one of the weakest and least meaningful undercards ever put on a PPV event. That isn't really going to help drive hardcore fans (the only ones who would be interested in paying for that fight) to buy the event.

Yeah this fight is destined to be a fianancial bust regardless who the substitution is. Get it done and move on.

[maracho]

We'll see.

My opinion is:

GGG has the right to avoid (duck) any tough challenges he does not want. Nobody can force him.

The fans have the right to avoid his mismatches, be critical, and demand that he be stripped, if he doesn't take on his mandatory.

It's up to him.

Cannelo told Oscar his muscles are already shrinking too much...

Arum wants GGG VS anyone on May 5TH but Saunders says June or nothing due to his old gypsy knucks.

HBO can't muster a million for a Eurasian but paid Ward $2 million to fight some bum

Sergei D "apparently" wants to much

Charlo has suddenly shut up

So it's a interesting hunt for whos the duck?

[BoxingIsGreat]

Cannelo told Oscar his muscles are already shrinking too much...

Arum wants GGG VS anyone on May 5TH but Saunders says June or nothing due to his old gypsy knucks.

HBO can't muster a million for a Eurasian but paid Ward $2 million to fight some bumb

Sergei D "apparently" wants to much

Charlo has suddenly shut up

So it's a interesting hunt for whos the duck?

I was one of the first ones to say no to Spike. By now, I wish it's at least Spike, since he's a real middleweight. Having seen most of GGG's career fights, I wasn't really expecting much.

Good luck to whomever he'll be fighting next. May Karma be served!

[maracho]

I was one of the first ones to say no to Spike. By now, I wish it's at least Spike, since he's a real middleweight. Having seen most of GGG's career fights, I wasn't really expecting much.

Good luck to whomever he'll be fighting next. May Karma be served!

Yeah I see a Spike fight on par to Charlo's fight next Saturday against Centeno. I mean Saunders dominated Spike while Danny Jacob's up coming opponent KO'ed Centeno. Thus, Charlo should find Centeno just a nice sparring match and be in total shape for Golovkin's Mexican style.

Speaking of Karma, Golovkin should say adios to HBO and take either Arum's or Warren's offer

[yankees7448]

I'd appreciate the link showing Sergei D is pricing himself out

We have all seen the article which describes how HBO offered only 1 million dollars. We have all read the article where Sergei D turned down 250k for an Andrade fight after initially accepting 400k? Are we all supposed to believe he, a man who is guaranteed a title shot, is going to settle for chump change?

and Arum's offer must be more than HBO's or why bother

Arum's offer was contigent on HBO not stepping up with an offer to air the fight. Once they stepped up he stepped back because GGG has a contract with them. The article you are basing this line of reasoning said as much.

Warren just claimed he is offering a "huge" amount for GGG/Saunders

I am sure he is saying that. But my original post already explained why GGG is prioritizing May 5th.

[yankees7448]

You are a good poster, but I disagree here. I believe it's a clear duck, despite the reasons. Fear isn't always the only one.

I appreciate that but I don't consider it a duck. The finances just don't work for the date.

You never said it had to be Vanes, but you'd understand it. I can't, not at all. I don't care about the money part. I'm a boxing fan, not his banker. I despise mismatches. Plus GGG isn't a businessman.

Maybe you are not reading his fans' responses to your own thread. Most of them talk like the Canelo fight is next, and for sure after May. There is no ground to support that contention, excuse.

GGG isn't a business man but his promoters are. And they aren't going to go through all this work building him up to then settle for near salary parity with a guy with only 13 fights. This isn't a Vasyli Lomachenko type guy who has a resume full of great opponents despite having so few professional fights. Sergei D has Tureano Johnson, Elvin Ayala and washed up Sam Soliman on his resume. Ehhh.

Vanes is another ehhh opponent. But if the options were Vanes or sitting around for Canelo in September I would pick Vanes 10x out of 10.

As for Canelo, the NSAC's decision on Canelo's suspension is the first domino to fall. Once that news comes out we'll probably hear from the IBF about what they are going to do about the mandatory situation. I would guess they would order the defense. But in the meantime it makes sense for GGG to take the stay busy fight. Billy Joe Saunders, Sergei D or one of the other mandatories will still be available later on. Until that big money fight with Canelo is not an option it makes sense to treat it as one.

Why salvage the date? What significance does it have for him? Even HBO and MGM don't think he belongs on the date, on PPV. The guy doesn't draw and that's a fact. Why force himself?

First of all, the fight isn't going to be on PPV. If it were PPV it would have been easier to justify the funds for Sergei D. But since it going to be a PPV (that event with Sergei D would have flopped an you know it) it goes to a much lesser opponent. Why stick to the date? His training is already geared to making sure he is in peak condition on that date. Fighting on May 5th helps keep him sharp for a September fight with Canelo. Delaying his next fight until Canelo is ready would be a bad call for someone his age. Fighting someone else in June would require an adjusted training regime and would risk his ability to be prepared for that September 5th fight.

As for the whole thing about other people thinking Sergei D is too big of a risk. If that is what they feel they are wrong. I think GGG beats Sergei D. He has the edge in experience, has the more proven power and chin and will benefit from not having to chase Sergei D around the ring. If I am being honest, as an opponent for GGG Sergei D worries me less than Charlo, Jacobs, Andrade or Canelo.

[maracho]

We have all seen the article which describes how HBO offered only 1 million dollars. We have all read the article where Sergei D turned down 250k for an Andrade fight after initially accepting 400k? Are we all supposed to believe he, a man who is guaranteed a title shot, is going to settle for chump change?


Arum's offer was contigent on HBO not stepping up with an offer to air the fight. Once they stepped up he stepped back because GGG has a contract with them. The article you are basing this line of reasoning said as much.


I am sure he is saying that. But my original post already explained why GGG is prioritizing May 5th.

An an HBO, contract surely means exclusivity so Arum is just playing games and so is Cheepo HBO

As for as Sergei D. a opportunity for a championship belt with HBO exposure is a great investment for the future, which he and his promoter may just have lost, If you are right that is

[yankees7448]

We'll see.

My opinion is:

GGG has the right to avoid (duck) any tough challenges he does not want. Nobody can force him.

The fans have the right to avoid his mismatches, be critical, and demand that he be stripped, if he doesn't take on his mandatory.

It's up to him.

All fighters have the right to do what they think is best for their careers. Fans not only have the right to avoid watching what they perceive as mismatches I believe it is their moral obligation to do so. As long as fans watch mismatches the promoters, the fighters and the networks will have no reason not to put them on. With that being said, I would watch the fight because I am a fan of GGG and he usually makes for exciting fights.

But this is not a duck. A man does not fight Danny Jacobs and Canelo in consecutive fights and then duck a 32 year old man with only 13 fights who is not hard to find in the ring. If anything Sergei D has the type of style GGG would enjoy fighting. There simply is not enough money in the budget to make a fight financially acceptable to both guys.

[Mrsantiago]

No it wasn't. It was the same nonsense repeated ad naseum by all the haters. Don't encourage lazy arguments.

All I read was facts. I wrote a post myself a few days ago about ggg and how l was disappointed in him because l used to believe alot of the things put out by his team but upon further research l am sad to say that he (most likely his team) is just like all the other businessmen he claimed to be against.

You see I used to forgive him for claiming he’d take on all comers 154-168 (Able Sanchez’s words) then to turn around and fight mostly former 154lbers (name one opponent that wasnt lol) while claiming to be avoided using smoke and mirrors straight from the toprank playbook. Lowball offers , never willing to fairly negotiate with opponents (again his team) and a bunch of other shenanigans (fighting mandatories when they’re bumbs but swerving mandatories that are threats) while at the same time somehow getting a pass in the media and by fans which is puzzling.

I will admit I was fooled because I thought this was another throwback type of fighter but little did l know he would prove me wrong (again l blame his team).

Although I blame his team he is the one that it falls on because every other fighter gets the blame for the teams decisions except ggg for some reason although more people are starting to wake up.

I will say this though he had a long legendary amateur career so l believe he deserves to make business decisions because this is prize fight but l do think he needs to be outed for the lies just be honest and say I’ve proven myself in the boxing game since l was an amateur and now im a pro its time to get paid.

[yankees7448]

All I read was facts.

Then you need to look up what a fact is. Most of what people post, myself included, are not facts but opinions. But some people do not even attempt to look past their own point of view when expressing their opinions. I have tried to be fair and balanced. The guy whose post we are talking about wasn't.

Why everyone knows I am a huge GGG fan I have tried to be unbiased with my opinions of him. When that Jaime Murugia guy was named as a possible opponent I was horrified. I expressed as much on this site. When Spike O'Sullivan was looking like the front runner I was disappointed. I expressed as much on this site. When he fell out my hopes were raised only to be dashed when Vanes Mayerwhatshisname became the new front runner. I was very disappointed with Vanes. I expressed as much repeatedly on this site. As a fan I want better. I expect better. But I understand why they are choosing the path they are choosing. They are planning as if a big money rematch with Canelo is a possibility for September. As such, they want GGG to fight according to his schedule so that he stays sharp because sparring isn't the same as fighting an actual fight. And I have already explained repeatedly how pushing the next fight a month would affect his training and how its not as easy as people think it is. And of course that's assuming negotiations for the June fight are easy. As we've seen with negotiations for fights with Canelo Alvarez, Danny Jacobs and Chris Eubanks Jr sometimes negotiations drag on for a while.

You see I used to forgive him for claiming he’d take on all comers 154-168 (Able Sanchez’s words) then to turn around and fight mostly former 154lbers (name one opponent that wasnt lol)

Off the top of my head, Martin Murray, Danny Jacobs, David Lemieux, Dominic Wade, Curtis Stevens.

Lowball offers , never willing to fairly negotiate with opponents (again his team)

Lowball offers my a$$. Danny Jacobs, David Lemieux all demanded so much money that a PPV was the only possible option. Spike O'Sullivan demanded so much money that a PPV was the only option. Chris Eubanks Jr was so difficult to negotiate with his own promoter threw him under the bus. Canelo dragged negotiations out for like 2 years.

and a bunch of other shenanigans (fighting mandatories when they’re bumbs but swerving mandatories that are threats)

That last part is completely untrue. Sergei D didn't become a mandatory until late August of last year and Charlo didn't become the mandatory until July of last year. GGG had already signed to fight Canelo by that point and the WBC ordered the rematch between them. Swerving mandatories my arse.