May 5th explained for those who are confused

[Street15]

This post is foolish, trying to blame Canelo and Golden Boy for Golovkin refusal to fight his MANDATORY is plain Garbage. Golovkin is trying to fight an inactive fighter who has not fought in 2 yrs. and last fought @ 154 lbs division. Man up, Golovkin your IBF mandatory is due don’t become “the business man” you said you hated. Give Chenko his shot @ the belt or vacated so he can fight someone else for it don’t keep it hostage.

This post would be true if the IBF were ordering and ENFORCING this fight. They haven't yet though. Which is why Connolly and DiBella wrote the IBF and are lobbying for them to enforce it. If it was enforced, there would be no discussion on what Gennady's next move would be.

When sanctioning bodies issue and enforce fights it almost always sounds like: "fighter A is hereby ordered to start negotiations with fighter B. If they can not reach an agreement, it will go to a purse bid".

IBF has YET to do that though. So, when you're not ordered and enforced to fight a mandatory (assuming there are no unification fights available), you fight voluntary defenses. That applies to everyone. GGG is no different.

[icha]

What options are better than vanes? His cv is miles better than spike or dereveyenchenko. Many people thought he could have got the nod against charlo

is better at 154 not 160...

[icha]

Vanes is a career 154lb fighter. Lol

and a mediocre one at this point..

[BoxingIsGreat]

To summarize your post: It's okay for GGG to fight an inactive, average, JMW, who hasn't fought for almost 2 years. GGG should be allowed to win at all cost. He must be given a sure win, so he could fight Canelo later- a fight that's unlikely to happen. Please show me the sources where a Canelo rematch is guaranteed. Otherwise, it's all lies.

On the other hand, prepared, fresh middleweight, who is his mandatory and has waited for his shot for a long time, is unfair. I'm not high on the guy, but the IBF should enforce their rules and strip GGG, the way the WBC did with Canelo.

It's called a duck, and some of his good fans know it (not the fanboys).

[yankees7448]

To summarize your post: It's okay for GGG to fight an inactive, average, JMW, who hasn't fought for almost 2 years. GGG should be allowed to win at all cost. He must be given a sure win, so he could fight Canelo later- a fight that's unlikely to happen. Please show me the sources where a Canelo rematch is guaranteed. Otherwise, it's all lies.

A couple points. I never said it had to be Vanes. I did say that the options were limited based upon the circumstances (short time frame, not alot of money). Secondly, I never said the Canelo rematch was guaranteed. But its the biggest fight available to both guys, the first fight had controversy and there seems to be bad blood between the two. A rematch is the most sensible option for both. Maybe not for September depending upon what happens with the NSAC but its going to happen.

On the other hand, prepared, fresh middleweight, who is his mandatory and has waited for his shot for a long time, is unfair.

No one said that so please stop pretending otherwise. And he didn't have to wait a long time for his shot. He earned it by beating Tureano Johnson in late August of last year. He should be thanking his lucky stars that Johnson got hurt because otherwise he would have gotten the shot and Sergei D would still be puttering around fighting nobodies.

I'm not high on the guy, but the IBF should enforce their rules and strip GGG, the way the WBC did with Canelo.

If they do then GGG has a decision to make.

It's called a duck, and some of his good fans know it (not the fanboys).

Its not a duck. GGG's team is trying to salvage the date and Sergei D wants too much money for the amount of money HBO is putting up for May 5th. Simple as that. I am sure there is another Dashon Johnson level fighter Sergei D can fight in the meantime.

[yankees7448]

Another reason no one knows who will win the purse and promote the fight is because its Laughner who wants more money to fight Derevyanchenko, who's promoter is apparently suing to make the fight happen.

There is only $1 million to spit between the two fighters on May 5th. If Sergei D gets what he wants then GGG is going to have to accept pay parity or even a lesser share to make it happen. And is not fair to GGG.

[BoxingIsGreat]

My replies in bold:

A couple points. I never said it had to be Vanes. I did say that the options were limited based upon the circumstances (short time frame, not alot of money). Secondly, I never said the Canelo rematch was guaranteed. But its the biggest fight available to both guys, the first fight had controversy and there seems to be bad blood between the two. A rematch is the most sensible option for both. Maybe not for September depending upon what happens with the NSAC but its going to happen.

You never said it had to be Vanes, but you'd understand it. I can't, not at all. I don't care about the money part. I'm a boxing fan, not his banker. I despise mismatches. Plus GGG isn't a businessman.

Maybe you are not reading his fans' responses to your own thread. Most of them talk like the Canelo fight is next, and for sure after May. There is no ground to support that contention, excuse.

No one said that so please stop pretending otherwise. And he didn't have to wait a long time for his shot. He earned it by beating Tureano Johnson in late August of last year. He should be thanking his lucky stars that Johnson got hurt because otherwise he would have gotten the shot and Sergei D would still be puttering around fighting nobodies.

Well, you must've not been following this topic on NSB then, because a lot of his fans say the fight is too risky, and straight up, even in this thread.


If they do then GGG has a decision to make.

So, he needs to be forced to fight his mandatory?


Its not a duck. GGG's team is trying to salvage the date and Sergei D wants too much money for the amount of money HBO is putting up for May 5th. Simple as that. I am sure there is another Dashon Johnson level fighter Sergei D can fight in the meantime.


Why salvage the date? What significance does it have for him? Even HBO and MGM don't think he belongs on the date, on PPV. The guy doesn't draw and that's a fact. Why force himself?

Its not a duck.

You are a good poster, but I disagree here. I believe it's a clear duck, despite the reasons. Fear isn't always the only one.

[maracho]

There is only $1 million to spit between the two fighters on May 5th. If Sergei D gets what he wants then GGG is going to have to accept pay parity or even a lesser share to make it happen. And is not fair to GGG.

I'd appreciate the link showing Sergei D is pricing himself out

and Arum's offer must be more than HBO's or why bother

Warren just claimed he is offering a "huge" amount for GGG/Saunders

[maracho]

My replies in bold:

Not a yet a duck just getting the bids to go up and up

[BoxingIsGreat]

Not a yet a duck just getting the bids to go up and up

We'll see.

My opinion is:

GGG has the right to avoid (duck) any tough challenges he does not want. Nobody can force him.

The fans have the right to avoid his mismatches, be critical, and demand that he be stripped, if he doesn't take on his mandatory.

It's up to him.