So where is Wilder team's counter offer?

[EnglishOxide]

AJ can’t demand $50 mil in America foh, lmao.

He can demand whatever the **** he wants, he's the champ.

[Raggamuffin]

Do you really not know the answer to this already? It's very, very simple.

Because they can. Because they hold almost all the cards. Because their fighter is the bigger star, is the unified champion, is the bigger draw. etc etc etc.

They're making a point about where they see Wilder and how they value him. They're making him an offer which he won't accept despite it being:

5 times his biggest ever purse.

Twice as much money as Parker got in AJ's last fight.

Despite the fact that if he wins the fight he makes boxing history AND triggers a rematch in which he earns double in the second

and despite the fact that if he beats AJ twice he's a free agent who is catapulted into the top rank of world boxing and will earn 10 to 20 times his current purses for the rest of his career.

They're offering him a deal which if we were to believe Deontay's words:

“I always said I want to unify all the titles. My goal is to unify,”

puts him two fights away from achieving his dream. All he has to do is beat a guy over two fights he describes as a 'joke' and in the process earn nearly $40m in the process.

They've made this offer because Wilder will refuse it and in the process show that all the talk, all the calling out, all the baddest man on the planet or I don't care about money, is just that.

Talk.

So Wilder will refuse it because he is about money, because he doesn't back himself to beat AJ and because he and his backers are desperate to get as big a slice of the revenue that AJ has generated by virtue of being braver and more ambitious than the bronze bomber ever dreamt of.

They may as well have tied a bow on that offer and written 'know your place' on it.

That's why a flat fee.

Once he rejects it everyone will know where he really stands and I expect the next offer from Matchroom will be a percentage share, but at a figure that reflects Wilder's actual value.

Your answer is ridiculous lmao.


I clearly asked you why they offered a flat fee. This isnt an answer unless you’re saying that you know that Wilder would reject the flat fee. And now you’re saying that they will go for a percentage fee and that will reflect his true worth. Has Hearn projected what the fight will be worth in the U.K.?

Mathematically the above that you wrote couldn’t be the answer. And it isnt because “they can”, lmao. This was their first offer. They expect a counter offer and then the real negotiations begin. Because they can lmao.

Wilder has Haymon on his side and Espinosa on both guys side.

[Raggamuffin]

He can demand whatever the **** he wants, he's the champ.

So is Wilder. Lmao. And Wilder has the real belt.

[Madison Boxing]

there isnt one. all that keeps coming from team wilder is 'fights not happening, fights not gonna happen' which they were saying even before negotiations begun. i have no idea why they didnt accept the last offer, twice as much as parker and 5 times as much as wilders biggest payday

[Joe Beamish]

So you don’t really know much of anything since you can’t answer my questions. But you sure do have a lot to say on that his matter lmao. Why the flat fee again?

Because the A side doesn't necessarily want Wilder. The flat fee offer screams that loud and clear.

[Raggamuffin]

Because the A side doesn't necessarily want Wilder. The flat fee offer screams that loud and clear.

That's my thinking. It's either that or you're just plain greedy.

[IMDAZED]

Ahh genrick. The king of premature ejaculation.

Just another good thread to up in a few months.

[Curt Henning]

Do you really not know the answer to this already? It's very, very simple.

Because they can. Because they hold almost all the cards. Because their fighter is the bigger star, is the unified champion, is the bigger draw. etc etc etc.

They're making a point about where they see Wilder and how they value him. They're making him an offer which he won't accept despite it being:

5 times his biggest ever purse.

Twice as much money as Parker got in AJ's last fight.

Despite the fact that if he wins the fight he makes boxing history AND triggers a rematch in which he earns double in the second

and despite the fact that if he beats AJ twice he's a free agent who is catapulted into the top rank of world boxing and will earn 10 to 20 times his current purses for the rest of his career.

They're offering him a deal which if we were to believe Deontay's words:

“I always said I want to unify all the titles. My goal is to unify,”

puts him two fights away from achieving his dream. All he has to do is beat a guy over two fights he describes as a 'joke' and in the process earn nearly $40m in the process.

They've made this offer because Wilder will refuse it and in the process show that all the talk, all the calling out, all the baddest man on the planet or I don't care about money, is just that.

Talk.

So Wilder will refuse it because he is about money, because he doesn't back himself to beat AJ and because he and his backers are desperate to get as big a slice of the revenue that AJ has generated by virtue of being braver and more ambitious than the bronze bomber ever dreamt of.

They may as well have tied a bow on that offer and written 'know your place' on it.

That's why a flat fee.

Once he rejects it everyone will know where he really stands and I expect the next offer from Matchroom will be a percentage share, but at a figure that reflects Wilder's actual value.

golden boy wanted to give golovkin a flat fee too

but eventually the public pressure mounted on them and they had no choice but to negotiate a fair deal

the same will happen to AJ and hearn

the boxing scribes wont be having him fighting the whyte rematch or with haye....or even povetkin...they might let him get away with one.....but they wont let him get away with it for long

wilder can laugh at that flat fee...go knock out d breezy or that polish kid.....and watch the public pressure mount on the canelo of this situation which is AJ

[eco1]

wherever Jr lost his pen .

[Scipio2009]

Look.

Hearn said that $12.5m for Wilder is somewhere between 25% to 35% of what he expects the fight to be worth.

At 25% that means he expects it to be a $50m fight approximately. That's with AJ home advantage, selling out 90k. So that's non primetime for US viewers which means PPV buys would be well down anyway.

If Team Wilder believes this makes over $100m they are going to want it to happen in the US. So that would mean AJ, the A side giving up home advantage. It would also be guess work. Joshua has not headlined in America and Wilder cannot even sell out his home town.

Joshua is going to want a guaranteed $50m because he will still be the A side in America because of the belts and Team Wilder have no idea how much money they can generate.

Don't forget Joshua already earns a hell of a lot, he's going to require a substantial guaranteed purse to travel.

I don't even see how Wilder earns more in a home fight.

If the number that Eddie Hearn expects the fight to clear is $50m for their offer, it's now on DiBella/Haymon/Finkell to see what they think the event would be worth on the US side.

See what the interest in the fight is from MGM Resorts, see what Showtime can project out with a full push, see what the event sponsors would look like, and figure what Eddie Hearn can draw for the UK TV for a 2am show.

Take the total projection that you come up with, mark 60% of that number, and offer that as the guarantee to Joshua to come over.