You don't start negotiating with your final offer which is what AJ did with his "take it or leave it" style. C'mon, look at this from ur angle as a business man, put yoursefl in both shoes.
With a take it or leave it offer, Wilder can't say "give me $20m then" but with Wilder's offer, AJ can easily drop off to 30%. Moreover switchign from a flat fee to % split using AJ negotiation is far more difficult so Wilder has to ask for a price that would make sense like 15m.
And WTF are people on about? When Canelo offered GGG $15m, most of us agreed it was not fair. That is $2.5m extra and both Wilder and GGG made similar amounts in previous fights.
That first offer is part of the negotiation as well, I think that's the part you are missing. Hearn did the same thing with Quigg-Frampton and the fight got made in the end.
Mind you the $12.5 million offer isn't a million miles away from where I think Wilder will end up with a % offer. He will probably get $15 million, by agreeing to something around a 65-35 split.
I think the point of this statement, and thread is all the idiots who are saying Wilder was offered 12.5%. Joshua has flipped the script on them.
There was only ever $45-50 million in this fight. UK ppv has a natural ceiling and limit, to get to 9 figures you need US ppv, and neither of these guys currently can carry a US ppv. I think if they had a great fight, and potentially a rematch they can take it to Vegas and it could make a US ppv debut.
I don't even think Hatton-Mayweather did $100 million and they sold 850k ppv in the US and 1.2 million in the UK...think about that. In the US the broadcaster takes half the revenue, and Sky take 40%.
No one knows for sure if this will be a 100mil fight and I don't know of any Wilder fans that claim and know for certain that it will be. Now GREEDY Hearn and his remote controlled ROBOT is making it about ONLY THIS now. As if the fight itself can't generate enough money to help AJ & Hearn store up even more money for future GREEDY USE. They act like theyre POOR and this Wilder fight is all theyre banking on! OOh great "Rob me Barrett" school me on your ROBOTS GREAT WISDOM and what I'm missing.
No one knows for sure if this will be a 100mil fight and I don't know of any Wilder fans that claim and know for certain that it will be. Now GREEDY Hearn and his remote controlled ROBOT is making it about ONLY THIS now. As if the fight itself can't generate enough money to help AJ & Hearn store up even more money for future GREEDY USE. They act like theyre POOR and this Wilder fight is all theyre banking on! OOh great "Rob me Barrett" school me on your ROBOTS GREAT WISDOM and what I'm missing.
That's fine it doesn't have to make 100 mil. If they guarantee Joshua 50 he'll take 50/50, that means anything from 50 up to 100 is all Wilders.
It's Wilder that's the one banking on this fight and wanting to cash out. Joshua makes plenty fighting anyone.
That first offer is part of the negotiation as well, I think that's the part you are missing. Hearn did the same thing with Quigg-Frampton and the fight got made in the end.
Mind you the $12.5 million offer isn't a million miles away from where I think Wilder will end up with a % offer. He will probably get $15 million, by agreeing to something around a 65-35 split.
I think the point of this statement, and thread is all the idiots who are saying Wilder was offered 12.5%. Joshua has flipped the script on them.
There was only ever $45-50 million in this fight. UK ppv has a natural ceiling and limit, to get to 9 figures you need US ppv, and neither of these guys currently can carry a US ppv. I think if they had a great fight, and potentially a rematch they can take it to Vegas and it could make a US ppv debut.
I don't even think Hatton-Mayweather did $100 million and they sold 850k ppv in the US and 1.2 million in the UK...think about that. In the US the broadcaster takes half the revenue, and Sky take 40%.
With a % split, Wilder may very well make $5m or $50m, no one knows what the fight will make. Anything can happen before then, there might be sudden mad interest from casuals or little. Either ways, a % split is the only way to go for a fight like this.
People thought Canelo GGG was going to shatter records lolz. So no one really knows.
That first offer is part of the negotiation as well, I think that's the part you are missing. Hearn did the same thing with Quigg-Frampton and the fight got made in the end.
Mind you the $12.5 million offer isn't a million miles away from where I think Wilder will end up with a % offer. He will probably get $15 million, by agreeing to something around a 65-35 split.
I think the point of this statement, and thread is all the idiots who are saying Wilder was offered 12.5%. Joshua has flipped the script on them.
There was only ever $45-50 million in this fight. UK ppv has a natural ceiling and limit, to get to 9 figures you need US ppv, and neither of these guys currently can carry a US ppv. I think if they had a great fight, and potentially a rematch they can take it to Vegas and it could make a US ppv debut.
I don't even think Hatton-Mayweather did $100 million and they sold 850k ppv in the US and 1.2 million in the UK...think about that. In the US the broadcaster takes half the revenue, and Sky take 40%.
Thank you, good post, agree with all your points, especially with the 12.5m being close to the % end he’d get anyway. All the kids on here get excited thinking all fights do Mayweather numbers, they don’t come anywhere near.
It is as you say a $50m fight with some upside but a leap from $50m to $100m is crazy, what happened to $55m, $60m etc in between, every $1m is around 15k PPV buys, that’s a lot of people and as someone else pointed out, that’s before the network takes their lions share.
If Joshua could get 50 and Wilder could get around 30 or so million that would be fine, but are these figures realistic? I doubt it. What's this obsession with flat figures anyway? Why can't they just do percentages like sane people? I've never seen such infantile negotiation in my life.
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