Comments Thread For: Joshua To Team Wilder: Give Me $50 Million - I'll Sign Tomorrow!

[Boksfan]

That's a perfect answer to the stream of ill informed rubbish that's surfaced over the last few days.

If you are Shelley Finkel and have made such a fuss over Hearn not following up an email about projections, htf can you not even reply to a $12m purse offer? Unless your more interested in playing this out in the media and seeking to leverage the media interest around the unified champ to raise your own guys profile?

I still don't think they will sign any flat fee offer because they're scared of losing out if the fight exceeds expectations however. So AJ may be better off giving the, a percentage alternative if he wants the fight before Povetkin.

Yeah just give them same deal as Parker got, if they refuse to take it it's a duck from Wilder, simple.

[Bronx2245]

They don’t have that kind of money to guarantee.

Why do you think they aren’t giving out any offers?

Sounds like Joshua is not sure this fight will do $100 million in the UK! I'm sure it would do $100 million in Las Vegas!

[angkag]

Hearn is the one who put the $100 million dollar tag on the fight. Do people randomly select what they hear?

When the 12.5m offer went out, we read the following:

The unification would likely generate somewhere between $50-100 million and some industry experts expect it generate even more

I think everyone (Finkel, Hearn, press) has been in broad agreement with the numbers quoted, wherever they came from.

Where a lot of people seem to be getting confused is what was said next:

- and since Wilder and his handlers have stated that a 60-40 split (in Joshua's favor) would fair - $12.5 million would be far below 40% of the financial take

Just for the sake of easy numbers, if we assume its a $100m fight, that doesn't mean $100m goes to the fighters. Typically its about 50% of that, ie around $50m (depends on the sponsorship and cable agreements made; often lower than 50%, sometimes more).

Seems a lot of people haven't understood this, so the 12.5m in a 100m fight is translated to 12.5%. 12.5m in a 100m fight is actually about 25% of expected purse if you want to go to percentages (12.5 divided by 50).

Joshua's 'give me $50m' would translate to 100% of the estimated $50m purse.

Not in anyone's camp here, just want to point out that both camps continually confuse the size of the revenue for the bout with percentages.

[MisanthropicNY]

Windmill fans: It's a $100 million fight, offering $12.5 mil means Joshua is ducking the fight!

Joshua: Give me $50 mil and I'll sign

Windmill fans: Joshua is pricing himself out, he's ducking

[Scipio2009]

Yeah he gave the greenlight for them to shop it but at 50 million not 21 .

Again, confusing dollars with pounds; the current boast number is $50m (£21m is actually about $30m).

Still, let's start putting the pie together.

The UK TV rights (Sky Box Office) should be able to logically clear $20m for the fight [Still unclear how Matchroom and Sky split the pie before Matchroom and Joshua split the pit, but the $20m is guessing from doing 1m homes for the 2am fight]. MGM Resorts paid over $15m to host Cotto-Canelo, and Wilder-Joshua is a bigger fight (made more important by the loss of the May 5th event). To that, you can add the rest of the international TV (Canada will have the fight on PPV, as will Australia, there should be good interest in Mexico, and the fight should also do well in Europe/Africa).

To that, you can then add the US PPV; depending on how the press tour goes and how the media helps build the fight up, 500k PPV homes isn't a ridiculous figure (price it right and you've got $15m+ cleared on the US PPV).

Add in the event sponsors, merch, etc, and you've got a nice pot of money coming together. This event breaks through and becomes an event night for the casual fan, and the money skyrockets (gate pushes $20m, PPV draws 1m+ homes, etc)

[HarvardBlue]

The fight does 100, but obviously the fighters don't get 100 to split.AJ knows this. His ******ed fans obviously don't....

Him asking for 50 million, is essentially asking for wilder to fight for free. If you guys and AJ's dumb ass believe the fighters get every dime of that 100, then why not take the 60-40 offer, idiot?

AJ is playing mind games with you ******s...

I thought this was pretty obvious but that must be my hood mentality kicking in.

[MisanthropicNY]

When the 12.5m offer went out, we read the following:

The unification would likely generate somewhere between $50-100 million and some industry experts expect it generate even more

I think everyone (Finkel, Hearn, press) has been in broad agreement with the numbers quoted, wherever they came from.

Where a lot of people seem to be getting confused is what was said next:

- and since Wilder and his handlers have stated that a 60-40 split (in Joshua's favor) would fair - $12.5 million would be far below 40% of the financial take

Just for the sake of easy numbers, if we assume its a $100m fight, that doesn't mean $100m goes to the fighters. Typically its about 50% of that, ie around $50m (depends on the sponsorship and cable agreements made; often lower than 50%, sometimes more).

Seems a lot of people haven't understood this, so the 12.5m in a 100m fight is translated to 12.5%. 12.5m in a 100m fight is actually about 25% of expected purse if you want to go to percentages (12.5 divided by 50).

Joshua's 'give me $50m' would translate to 100% of the estimated $50m purse.

Not in anyone's camp here, just want to point out that both camps continually confuse the size of the revenue for the bout with percentages.

Windmill fans said it was $100 million+ fight, so Joshua exposes the deceiving logic of Windmill (who's never even $3 mil in a fight). So now Windmil fans are saying the fight is a $50 mil and not $100 mil fight, as soon as Joshua calls the bluff.

[MisanthropicNY]

The fight does 100, but obviously the fighters don't get 100 to split. AJ knows this. His ******ed fans obviously don't....

Him asking for 50 million, is essentially asking for wilder to fight for free. If you guys and AJ's dumb ass believe the fighters get every dime of that 100, then why not take the 60-40 offer, idiot?

AJ is playing mind games with you ******s...

So this proves that Windmill and his fans are lying POS when they said $12.5 mil was equivalent to giving Windmill only a 12.5% cut

So now you admit that $12.5 mil is much more than 12.5%. Not to mention, Windmill hasn't even made $3 mil in a fight before in his entire career and has never been on PPV.

[bluemax]

Joshua would be knocked out by Wilder so it's not surprising he's asking for a big retirement nest egg. Anyone doubt that Wilder knocks out Joshua when he hits him on his glass jaw should jump on youtube and watch a few highlight videos of Wilder's knockouts. He doesn't beat these opponents into submission he hits them and they are flat on their faces. Joshua can punch and if he hits you enough he'll wear you down but all it'll take is one from Wilder to put Joshua into retirement. Joshua's own management knows this that's why Hearn has spent huge sums of money on a avoidance campaign to protect his cash cow. I don't expect to see Joshua in the ring anytime soon with Wilder, he'll make millions fighting rematches with smaller, older, slower opponents while his PR team convinces his blind fan base what a brute he is. Laughable!

[Ray*]

It's crazy isn't it mate. Any offers are all coming from one side yet that's the side that doesn't want the fight apparently.

I also remember a few weeks back the talk on here was how the fight had to be in America to make money. AJ was ducking if he wouldn't go over there.

Then the same guys laughed at the the American numbers for AJ vs Parker. The numbers that backed up why the UK was the right place for the Wilder fight, because the gate isn't guaranteed stateside. Those posters had forgotten which agenda they were originally pushing. It doesn't matter was is said or done by the fighters from now on, it had become a flag waving competition for them.

Thats what happens when you are a fanboy, you have to flip flop to fit your agenda. Its pretty simple, they called it a 100million fight in america, the man is willing to take 50% of that.

Better yet give him 50million dollars and get him to come to america, sell it on PPV and take the risk of it making more from that side.

Some people talk, some people actually let facts do the talking, so far only AJ side has actually made moves.