Comments Thread For: Trainer: Wilder is World's Biggest Puncher, Nobody Hits Harder

[tokon]

Maybe him not signing to fight Breazeale before AJ even fought Parker?

Yeah he said all those things. Over social media. To his fans.

Anyone actually pick up the phone and call Hearn?

No.....

Wilder signed to fight breazeale before joshua-parker?

Source?

[tokon]

yes i think joshua has power too and can definitly put wilder down too

Yes, "average" is about as good as you could say for both wilder and Joshua chins!

Both definitely capable of putting the other one down - and out!

Both factors make for a good fight!!

[tokon]

-Well i make this claim because i saw Ortiz is a known hard puncher, hit wilder flush a couple time and i think he handled it pretty well.
-it seemed to me that Joshua was a little buzzed against Parker at one point. Aside from klitscko

And against Whyte.

[EL_GRINGO]

and my friend, i dont think Wilder has a better chin than joshua, they are the same to me. Did u watch the wilder..ortiz match???

I don't know,wilder took ortiz shots who is a notorious heavy puncher, looked like he was about done to but survived but it's not that he looked buzzed or got stank legs, and those were big big shots he absorbed by a know puncher

[Deus]

I’ll admit Wilder has got better, his boxing is improving. I’m not that sold on the quality of Stiverne, awkward and durable at his best, but a little bit in decline by the time Wilder fought him.

Ortiz I just don’t get the fuss about. He is solid and I am sure once he was able to deliver the athleticism with the obvious skill, but nowadays he is very old and his record is simply weak, so for him to be touted as the test that Wilder is at the level was a bit of a stretch.

I think the the Whyte idea was fair contest and real leveller. Either him or Parker to build AJ, it would answer all the critics and take him into the AJ fight even.

That's a bit unfair... yes there are question marks over Ortiz considering his age and his record (and his history with PEDs) but there were equally question marks over Klitschko considering his age, inactivity and coming off of a loss. Ortiz was still far more of a test than a fat Bermaine Stiverne and probably just as big a test as Klitschko was for Joshua. Both of those fights answered a lot of questions for the both of them, but the true litmus test is obviously just Wilder v Joshua.

You can't explain **** to anyone lmao. Wilder owns the only legit title that matters. Sell somebody else your lies and exaggerations.

The only legit title that matters? Did you think that when Klitschko had all the other belts years ago and was regarded as THE heavyweight king? Pretty sure everyone and their nan simply saw Wilder and his 'only legit title that matters' as simply a title holder but saw Klitschko as the champ. Since that time Wilder has done nothing to elevate his title to be the sole title that matters.

The WBC title might have more allure than the others but the champion makes the title matter and not the other way around.

[HarvardBlue]

I’ll admit Wilder has got better, his boxing is improving. I’m not that sold on the quality of Stiverne, awkward and durable at his best, but a little bit in decline by the time Wilder fought.

At the time of the first fight Stiverne was a top 5 HW. I didn't see any decline in the first fight. The second fight was a joke and unnecessary.

Ortiz I just don’t get the fuss about. He is solid and I am sure once he was able to deliver the athleticism with the obvious skill, but nowadays he is very old and his record is simply weak, so for him to be touted as the test that Wilder is at the level was a bit of a stretch.

Again, Ortiz was a top 5 HW. He was a tough test for either Wilder, Parker, or Joshua. He was older but still a dangerous fighter. If he won the fight his age wouldn't matter.

I think the the Whyte idea was fair contest and real leveller. Either him or Parker to build AJ, it would answer all the critics and take him into the AJ fight even.

Now you're making your agenda clear. There's no reason for Wilder to fight Whyte to get Joshua. There is no need for them to be "even". Wilder has the other belt and Joshua wants all the belt. Parker didn't have to fight any other opponent to get to Joshua and neither should Wilder. If Fury was in fighting shape no one would insist he fight a list of opponents to get to Joshua. This is the lamest argument by Joshua fans by far. It makes them look nervous and insecure about the matchup between Wilder and Joshua

[Raggamuffin]

That's a bit unfair... yes there are question marks over Ortiz considering his age and his record (and his history with PEDs) but there were equally question marks over Klitschko considering his age, inactivity and coming off of a loss. Ortiz was still far more of a test than a fat Bermaine Stiverne and probably just as big a test as Klitschko was for Joshua. Both of those fights answered a lot of questions for the both of them, but the true litmus test is obviously just Wilder v Joshua.


The only legit title that matters? Did you think that when Klitschko had all the other belts years ago and was regarded as THE heavyweight king? Pretty sure everyone and their nan simply saw Wilder and his 'only legit title that matters' as simply a title holder but saw Klitschko as the champ. Since that time Wilder has done nothing to elevate his title to be the sole title that matters.

The WBC title might have more allure than the others but the champion makes the title matter and not the other way around.

Why would I talk boxing with a guy who said that Wilder has only one legit win and even that win is suspect? Why?

[Deus]

Why would I talk boxing with a guy who said that Wilder has only one legit win and even that win is suspect? Why?

So because you disagree with something i've said you're unwilling to have a discussion?

Reality is you know full well that the WBC title definitely was not 'the only legit title that matters' when Wlad ruled over the division without it. Nothing has changed from then... it's still a trinket like all of Joshua's are.

[Raggamuffin]

So because you disagree with something i've said you're unwilling to have a discussion?

Reality is you know full well that the WBC title definitely was not 'the only legit title that matters' when Wlad ruled over the division without it. Nothing has changed from then... it's still a trinket like all of Joshua's are.

First of all did Wlad go after the WBC title. Why? Second, YOU injected Wlad in your weak argument, not me. And a disagreement is a disagreement. We can agree to disagree. But you...you fail to achknowledge Wilders win over Ortiz. That I have a problem with.

[Deus]

First of all did Wlad go after the WBC title. Why? Second, YOU injected Wlad in your weak argument, not me. And a disagreement is a disagreement. We can agree to disagree. But you...you fail to achknowledge Wilders win over Ortiz. That I have a problem with.

He did indeed, but he never got it... yet he was still deemed as the champ even without the WBC belt. Doesn't that therefore mean that the notion that the WBC belt is the only one that matters is therefore incorrect?

As for Wilder's win over Ortiz; i've not once attempted to downplay Wilder's win over Ortiz... it was impressive. In fact I was even disagreeing with sportbuddha in my first post in this thread when he was downplaying it and suggesting Wilder needs to face Whyte. See below:

That's a bit unfair... yes there are question marks over Ortiz considering his age and his record (and his history with PEDs) but there were equally question marks over Klitschko considering his age, inactivity and coming off of a loss. Ortiz was still far more of a test than a fat Bermaine Stiverne and probably just as big a test as Klitschko was for Joshua. Both of those fights answered a lot of questions for the both of them, but the true litmus test is obviously just Wilder v Joshua.


The only legit title that matters? Did you think that when Klitschko had all the other belts years ago and was regarded as THE heavyweight king? Pretty sure everyone and their nan simply saw Wilder and his 'only legit title that matters' as simply a title holder but saw Klitschko as the champ. Since that time Wilder has done nothing to elevate his title to be the sole title that matters.

The WBC title might have more allure than the others but the champion makes the title matter and not the other way around.

I gave Wilder just as much credit for beating Ortiz as i've given Joshua for beating Klitschko.