Which past HW's are comparable to modern HW's?

[Cutthroat]

Not only older heavies are skilled, they are also agile and very durable. You see many heavyweights today gassed up on the 6th round when older guys can finish 15 or more round fights.

That was back when they were really light weight, I've seen Holyfield gas as early as the 5th round vs Moorer.

[Cutthroat]

No way was Bruno ever 228, he was in the 240-250 range , ripped

Bruno was 228 vs Tyson, 238 vs Lewis, by the time he was pushing 240+ he was on the verge of retirement.

Jenning is jacked, a lot of these guys you see are really big it's just that they get tossed around by even bigger guys in this era of super heavies.

[Brother Mouzone]

The heavies of the past were much more skilled, they were far better boxers..These guys are simple just big, but lack a lot of talent

My man, Rid**** Bowe would eat them all alive, thats one guy. A lot of B-Level HW's from the past would decimate the division.



Nailed it.

You guys are spot on HW div of today is sad as **** .Also McNulty dope user name mang.

[DreamFighter]

Jennings had never been stopped before, Bruno was stopped 2x by guys who'd finish their careers as journeymen.

If Jennings lost to 2 journeymen level guys, what'd your response be?

you call world champions journeymen, in that case jennings lost to a journeyman in wlad too.

and in the same post, think Jennings being unbeaten against nothing at all is some kind of feather for your cap. You must be aware that dozens of boxers half the ability of bruno could manage that.


Does your ******ity ever hit home?

At some point, surely you want to stop making yourself look so bad?

[Cutthroat]

you call world champions journeymen, in that case jennings lost to a journeyman in wlad too.

and in the same post, think Jennings being unbeaten against nothing at all is some kind of feather for your cap. You must be aware that dozens of boxers half the ability of bruno could manage that.


Does your ******ity ever hit home?

At some point, surely you want to stop making yourself look so bad?

Smith was not a world champion when he KO'd Bruno, Jennings would've lost in embarrassing fashion to Wlad if he was a bum or if he had a glass chin. The men Bruno was KO'd by did not hit half as hard as Wlad. Logic is not your strong point.

[VatoMulatto]

why? Wlads best win is either chris byrd or David haye, both of whom bruno would settle on. Vitalis best win is retired sanders, who wasnt getting to title level when he was prime at the tailend of bruno's career. Bruno crushes the prime one, let alone the retired one.





interesting -I've never seen Ike fight, so will reserve comment.

Ike was a bada$$ in the ring and a straight up psychopath outside the ring:


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[_Rexy_]

At 1:51 of your video I saw Golota waddling forward as well as his left wrist ****ed to the left (so he hits with his palm/wrist) and it doesn't look like how he fought back then so I went looking for another copy. Another reason I looked for another copy is it doesn't matter if the times match on youtube vs the fight counter. You would have to put it in a video editor side by side with a live counter plugin to really find out because film moves in frames.

Standard for and film is 30fps back then and sometimes now. If the time is off by 5-10 frames or if frames are doubled or missing (which is very common), you won't see much (or any) change in time. Also, low grade film like 240p can appear to move slower if you look at an editor long enough. Also, you can't effectively compare the times by looking from time to time because of potential fps deficit and time it takes your eyes to travel from side to side. You might look at the fight time at 25:14:03 (25 minutes, 14 seconds, frame 3) and by the time you get to the other time its 25:14:28 (25 minutes, 14 seconds, frame 28).

The bigger problem here is you got the wrong fight my man. Your fight is 17 years off.

https://www.boxingscene.com/andrew-golota-knocked-off-pounds-final-fight--83499

The fight you linked was an exhibition farewell fight between Golota and Nicholson from 2014. It's not on his record. Look at the date of your video, it says 2014. Golota was 46 in 2014 bro.

Better copy here:



The real fight between Golota vs Nicholson from 1996, the fight before here fought Bowe is here. And I'm sure you will agree, that's not the same fighter. A 46 year-old fighter doesn't fight like a 31 year-old version of himself. The record should note that the uploader got the date wrong by 3 years. Video says 1999 but the fight took place in 1996.

Thanks for beating me to the research. I saw the original video and thought "Golota looks way too old and out of shape for a fight that happened BEFORE the Bowe fight!"

[McNulty]

You're right that was an old Golota, but still, I don't think even peak Golota is better than most Polish/Euro guys today. I just think he was a sample of what Europe/Poland produces today.

While there's been a decline in the popularity of American boxing, at the same time there has been a massive popularity boost in Europe. A lot of the American journeymen have been replaced with Euro journeymen, same with champions.

Poland does produce more HW fighters than it ever has with Kownacki, Adamek, Szpilka, Zimnoch, Wach, etc. European boxing in general does and they've given us some pretty damn good fighters in other weight classes too.

I've never heard of the below names so I just checked them out real quick. Didn't watch any film.

Kownacki has 17 fights and fought nobody, not sure how you can gauge his talent. Broner at one point looked impressive, but when he stepped up he got exposed so it's hard to know until we see them in the trenches.

Szpilka has 20 fights and been put to sleep twice.

Zimnoch has 22 fights and put to sleep twice.

I don't think Adamek is a valid comparison as there is only a few years difference between the two (92' vs 99'). Not enough realistic time for improvement culturally/etc.

From what I've seen of the eastern block invasion is not a better skill set, but moreso improvements with hunger, dedication, and tenacity. You might have your ear closer to the street than I regarding this and I'm good with that. I don't pay attention to the HW's for good reason.

Not sure how we got on Golota but here is my honest take on him. I thought he was talented and tough but something was wrong with him mentally the entire time and it came out rather quickly. I think he just didn't have the guts for it. Definitely not my barometer to reference a golden era of HW's.

[McNulty]

Thanks for beating me to the research. I saw the original video and thought "Golota looks way too old and out of shape for a fight that happened BEFORE the Bowe fight!"

Yea man I felt like I was on the ropes and my memory was taking a turn for the worse. When I saw Golota waddling forward I was like, dude this isn't the Golota I remember!

Got to stay sharp man haha. Dodging bullets over here!

[McNulty]

You guys are spot on HW div of today is sad as ****. Also McNulty dope user name mang.

Yo dog, I heard you been canoodling and possibly snoodling with Omar. That true?