Which past HW's are comparable to modern HW's?

[DreamFighter]

Martin isn't even a top 5 win on AJ's resume

he is top three.

and did AJ not handle him with complete ease?

yeh that IS my point. Martins done nothing, and wouldnt.

[McNulty]

Rid**** Bowe could barely handle little Holyfield and was getting his ass beat by Golota who is no better or bigger than Whyte.

I've seen Bowe land clean on guys who have already been KO'd and not hurt them.

Wait, you mean that juice head that he knocked out? The same juice head he beat arguably all three fights? I haven't seen the second fight in a while but I do remember question marks on it.



Golota was his last two fights before retirement and he got DQ'd for lowblows in both fights. He was hitting Bowe low in the first round of their first fight. Golota was undefeated too at 28-0. I don't htink Golota is a fair comparison. Bringing up Golota is like bringng up Spinks in reference to Ali. Bringing up fighters at the end of anothers career makes no sense. Bowe was at a record fatness for the first fight too.

Golota wasn't bad and would probably dominate today if his head was screwed on tight. The guy was mental. Honestly, I don't think Golota mentally wanted to fight, kind of like Michael Grant. Those two just didn't have it upstairs.

When I bring up Bowe, I'm talking about the best Bowe not the end of his career worst version of Bowe. You could tarnish any fighter --- Tyson, Robinson, anybody.

[VatoMulatto]

Bruno would likely knock Wlad the fcuk right out, and early. Vitali wouldbe a better matchup.

I'd pick both of the brothers to not only win but they would also KO Bruno.

Can we compare Ike Ibeabuchi to any of the HW's today? Ike Ibeabuchi is one of those fighters that really messed up his career. He did look to have the potentional to be a great one.

[Cutthroat]

Wait, you mean that juice head that he knocked out? The same juice head he beat arguably all three fights? I haven't seen the second fight in a while but I do remember question marks on it.

Golota was his last two fights before retirement and he got DQ'd for lowblows in both fights. He was hitting Bowe low in the first round of their first fight. Golota was undefeated too at 28-0. I don't htink Golota is a fair comparison. Bringing up Golota is like bringng up Spinks in reference to Ali. Bringing up fighters at the end of anothers career makes no sense. Bowe was at a record fatness for the first fight too.

Golota wasn't bad and would probably dominate today if his head was screwed on tight. The guy was mental. Honestly, I don't think Golota mentally wanted to fight, kind of like Michael Grant. Those two just didn't have it upstairs.

When I bring up Bowe, I'm talking about the best Bowe not the end of his career worst version of Bowe. You could tarnish any fighter --- Tyson, Robinson, anybody.

Bowe got put down by Holyfield who has never been known for his power, not pre-Bowe, not post Bowe. Holyfield gave him hell because he was physically strong, durable, and skilled, same with Golota who was beating him. That's practically every HW today except they all have KO power.

Bowe's power/defense was also looking very suspect early in his career vs Tubbs. He never fought Tyson or Lewis, very short career, was barely 7 years pro when he fought Golota.

Golota thrived because of his size, if you watch film he was just physically superior to almost anybody he fought. Golota was slow as molasses and isn't better than your average Euro-level guy you see today, I don't even think he'd beat Helenius,

This is Golota vs Nicholson, Golota looked painfully slow, even Whyte is much faster than him:



Golota was like a smaller, less durable version of Wach they practically mirror each other. Tell me 6:40 doesn't look like he's fighting in slow motion those are some sloooow combos you see from guys like Wach. Euro boxing has gotten a lot better than what it used to be.

[TripleJ]

I'd pick both of the brothers to not only win but they would also KO Bruno.

Can we compare Ike Ibeabuchi to any of the HW's today? Ike Ibeabuchi is one of those fighters that really messed up his career. He did look to have the potentional to be a great one.

I was going to post Ike, there's a lot more through history but put him in today's scene and he'd clean house. Or tua who never even got to hold a belt. They'd both sleep AJ easily.

[McNulty]

This is Golota vs Nicholson, Golota looked painfully slow, even Whyte is much faster than him:



Golota was like a smaller, less durable version of Wach they practically mirror each other. Tell me 6:40 doesn't look like he's fighting in slow motion those are some sloooow combos you see from guys like Wach. Euro boxing has gotten a lot better than what it used to be.

The quality is below 240 and the speed has been altered for one reason for another. Go to 17:42 and watch the black trainer walk and the ticker tape falling. Thats not a normal speed. You can't tell the speed is off? Look at other stuff besides the Boxers. even the ref looks slightly slower.

Wach, come on man. No way you believe Wach is better than Golota.

[Ray Corso]

" Moorer comes closest but he was a blown up LHW, at one point he was 165lbs".................................

Every heavyweight was 165 at one point.
Moorer fought at 175 for 26 months then went to heavyweight at
24 years old. He stood 6'2" and came in at 213 in his first heavy bout and that's his lightest weight. Men mature, well not all on this forum but most do in professional sports.
His record was 30 w 4 losses and 1 draw he was a respectable fighter both as a pro & amateur.

As for "modern" heavyweights the term goes back to Tunney & Conn as far as form and style. Mr. Blackburn trained modern methodology and techniques 85 years ago.
No heavyweight has the form and punch techniques in their combination like Joe Louis had. That's a long time ago and you have to have the talent & skills to learn them.


The "times" now are called "present times" not modern!

Ray

[KingHippo]

Not many to be honest.

Mike Tyson would kill everyone at heavyweight right now. Lewis would beat Joshua, though I think he'd have a lot of trouble with Wilder. Don't think Hollyfield would do that good.

Not going to sit there and act like I'm an expert on past fighters. Most were before my time. But I think nostalgia plays a huge part in it. For instance, I don't see how Bowe could hang in this era, considering guys don't even entertain phone booth fights anymore. Takes away 90% of his skillset right there.

[Cutthroat]

The quality is below 240 and the speed has been altered for one reason for another. Go to 17:42 and watch the black trainer walk and the ticker tape falling. Thats not a normal speed. You can't tell the speed is off? Look at other stuff besides the Boxers. even the ref looks slightly slower.

Wach, come on man. No way you believe Wach is better than Golota.

The speed hasn't been altered in anyway, the time displayed during the fight matches up with the video player's seconds.

Golota was simply that slow, he's no different than the dozens of Euro level guys like Wach, Adamek, Chagaev, Szpilka, Kownacki etc. you see today, I doubt he'd even beat most of them. Golota could unload on immobile guys, anybody with a modicum of mobility or speed like Nicholson made him look like he was in slow motion.

European boxing has come a LONG way since the fall of the Soviet Union in '91. This is a population of 291 million people we're talking about that were absent from boxing. You pretty much have to put an asterisk*** next to the older HW divisions due to that fact, it's kind of like how Baseball used to be without black people.

Honestly I don't even know how good most of the 80's/90's fighters were, a lot of them were coked up out of their minds. A guy could fight like a mad man on coke, but the very next fight get laid out like Dokes did vs Bowe or Tyson vs Lewis. PED's are one thing but ******* is another animal. The NBA had a similar problem in the 80's where they estimated 40-70% of players were using.

[Cutthroat]

" Moorer comes closest but he was a blown up LHW, at one point he was 165lbs".................................

Every heavyweight was 165 at one point.
Moorer fought at 175 for 26 months then went to heavyweight at
24 years old. He stood 6'2" and came in at 213 in his first heavy bout and that's his lightest weight. Men mature, well not all on this forum but most do in professional sports.
His record was 30 w 4 losses and 1 draw he was a respectable fighter both as a pro & amateur.

As for "modern" heavyweights the term goes back to Tunney & Conn as far as form and style. Mr. Blackburn trained modern methodology and techniques 85 years ago.
No heavyweight has the form and punch techniques in their combination like Joe Louis had. That's a long time ago and you have to have the talent & skills to learn them.


The "times" now are called "present times" not modern!

Ray

Moorer had 22 fights at LHW before making an immediate 40lb jump to HW. He's still a small HW for this era, even 220lbs is small.

Bryant Jennings is the exact same size as Bruno was when he fought Tyson, 6'3 228, but does anybody think of Jennings as a particularly big strong guy? Nope, he just blends in with everyone else. What about Whyte? Same size as Golota, he stand out? Nope. Looked like a midget vs AJ.

85 years ago was a long time, science progresses, population and demographics change, even something as simple as transportation/videos go a very long way. The Soviet Union with a population of 291 million people did not fall until '91, that's A LOT of guys missing from boxing.