Which past HW's are comparable to modern HW's?

[McNulty]

The speed hasn't been altered in anyway, the time displayed during the fight matches up with the video player's seconds.

Golota was simply that slow, he's no different than the dozens of Euro level guys like Wach, Adamek, Chagaev, Szpilka, Kownacki etc. you see today, I doubt he'd even beat most of them. Golota could unload on immobile guys, anybody with a modicum of mobility or speed like Nicholson made him look like he was in slow motion.

European boxing has come a LONG way since the fall of the Soviet Union in '91. This is a population of 291 million people we're talking about that were absent from boxing. You pretty much have to put an asterisk*** next to the older HW divisions due to that fact, it's kind of like how Baseball used to be without black people.

Honestly I don't even know how good most of the 80's/90's fighters were, a lot of them were coked up out of their minds. A guy could fight like a mad man on coke, but the very next fight get laid out like Dokes did vs Bowe or Tyson vs Lewis. PED's are one thing but ******* is another animal. The NBA had a similar problem in the 80's where they estimated 40-70% of players were using.

At 1:51 of your video I saw Golota waddling forward as well as his left wrist ****ed to the left (so he hits with his palm/wrist) and it doesn't look like how he fought back then so I went looking for another copy. Another reason I looked for another copy is it doesn't matter if the times match on youtube vs the fight counter. You would have to put it in a video editor side by side with a live counter plugin to really find out because film moves in frames.

Standard for and film is 30fps back then and sometimes now. If the time is off by 5-10 frames or if frames are doubled or missing (which is very common), you won't see much (or any) change in time. Also, low grade film like 240p can appear to move slower if you look at an editor long enough. Also, you can't effectively compare the times by looking from time to time because of potential fps deficit and time it takes your eyes to travel from side to side. You might look at the fight time at 25:14:03 (25 minutes, 14 seconds, frame 3) and by the time you get to the other time its 25:14:28 (25 minutes, 14 seconds, frame 28).

The bigger problem here is you got the wrong fight my man. Your fight is 17 years off.

https://www.boxingscene.com/andrew-golota-knocked-off-pounds-final-fight--83499

The fight you linked was an exhibition farewell fight between Golota and Nicholson from 2014. It's not on his record. Look at the date of your video, it says 2014. Golota was 46 in 2014 bro.

Better copy here:



The real fight between Golota vs Nicholson from 1996, the fight before here fought Bowe is here. And I'm sure you will agree, that's not the same fighter. A 46 year-old fighter doesn't fight like a 31 year-old version of himself. The record should note that the uploader got the date wrong by 3 years. Video says 1999 but the fight took place in 1996.

[DreamFighter]

I'd pick both of the brothers to not only win but they would also KO Bruno.

why? Wlads best win is either chris byrd or David haye, both of whom bruno would settle on. Vitalis best win is retired sanders, who wasnt getting to title level when he was prime at the tailend of bruno's career. Bruno crushes the prime one, let alone the retired one.

Can we compare Ike Ibeabuchi to any of the HW's today? Ike Ibeabuchi is one of those fighters that really messed up his career. He did look to have the potentional to be a great one.

interesting -I've never seen Ike fight, so will reserve comment.

[jpowell100]

How is Martin top 3 in Joshua’s wins? Klitschko, Parker, Whyte? Also Takam and Breazeale arguably better

[drunken fist]

Not only older heavies are skilled, they are also agile and very durable. You see many heavyweights today gassed up on the 6th round when older guys can finish 15 or more round fights.

[DreamFighter]

How is Martin top 3 in Joshua’s wins? Klitschko, Parker, Whyte? Also Takam and Breazeale arguably better

whyte is perhaps a better win. more like top five for martin, given it was a title win.

[Armchairhero]

Bryant Jennings is the exact same size as Bruno was when he fought Tyson, 6'3 228, but does anybody think of Jennings as a particularly big strong guy? Nope, he just blends in with everyone else. What about Whyte? Same size as Golota, he stand out?.

No way was Bruno ever 228, he was in the 240-250 range , ripped

[DreamFighter]

jeez cutyourownthroat dibbler, bruno was a genuine pro, jennings was a late starter. why you comparing a part timer with a real world class pro?

[TripleJ]

interesting -I've never seen Ike fight, so will reserve comment.

You owe yourself a treat, eatch ike vs tua.

Name any current heavyweight who can beat either of these guys and I'd say you're wrong.

[Cutthroat]

The bigger problem here is you got the wrong fight my man. Your fight is 17 years off.



The fight you linked was an exhibition farewell fight between Golota and Nicholson from 2014. It's not on his record. Look at the date of your video, it says 2014. Golota was 46 in 2014 bro.

Better copy here:


The real fight between Golota vs Nicholson from 1996, the fight before here fought Bowe is here. And I'm sure you will agree, that's not the same fighter. A 46 year-old fighter doesn't fight like a 31 year-old version of himself. The record should note that the uploader got the date wrong by 3 years. Video says 1999 but the fight took place in 1996.

You're right that was an old Golota, but still, I don't think even peak Golota is better than most Polish/Euro guys today. I just think he was a sample of what Europe/Poland produces today.

While there's been a decline in the popularity of American boxing, at the same time there has been a massive popularity boost in Europe. A lot of the American journeymen have been replaced with Euro journeymen, same with champions.

Poland does produce more HW fighters than it ever has with Kownacki, Adamek, Szpilka, Zimnoch, Wach, etc. European boxing in general does and they've given us some pretty damn good fighters in other weight classes too.

[Cutthroat]

jeez cutyourownthroat dibbler, bruno was a genuine pro, jennings was a late starter. why you comparing a part timer with a real world class pro?

Jennings had never been stopped before, Bruno was stopped 2x by guys who'd finish their careers as journeymen.

If Jennings lost to 2 journeymen level guys, what'd your response be?