Wlad probably would've beaten Ali

[joseph5620]

Shocking you would think that

Wepner can go 14 rounds with Ali but Wlad couldn't

Wepner was never even knocked down prior to fighting Ali. That includes fights with Foreman and Liston. Klitschko has been knocked down at least a dozen times. So your logic is typically ****** once again.

[sunny31]

He doesn't have to close distance, though. He could just take advantage of range, as other fighters managed with Wlad. You can stay outside of his jab and keep him tentative. Haye did it, he just wasn't good enough to take advantage. Fury did as well and was good enough to take advantage. Wlad has trouble with fighters who don't let him land his jab consistently, and those fighters were all worse than Muhammad Ali.

Ali had incredibly fast footwork that would keep Wlad pawing uncomfortably with the jab, incredible head movement to make it miss, and unlike fighters like Haye he knew how to take advantage when he has a fighter tentative and reaching. I think he could easily have success fighting tall against Wlad.

Liston had one hell of a jab and longer reach, yet Ali did exactly that to him.

Liston was 6' 1" and incomparable to Wlad stylistically, he stepped in with his jab and was a come forward killer, not to mention he had a lot of success with the jab in their first fight. Either way silly comment.

Who are these fighters Wlad struggled with at range? We are talking Wlad in his prime, so post Brewster.

It is not easy to be defensively sound, but it is extremely difficult to be defensively sound whilst getting off your own attack on a taller, athletic, and fundamentally sound fighter. That is what Haye found, he could stay away from Wlads best shots, but in reality he couldn't get anywhere near him, he was put in defensive mode and kept there. I didnt find Wlad to be tentative at all, in fact i think it was one of his highest punch outputs, and one of his better performances.

That is not a performance you should take any confidence from in this scenario. Ali is much better than Haye, but he is of similar dimensions and again Haye is someone who was use to dominating off the back foot.

Fury is 6' 9" and an extremely gifted mover. Wlad is not nearly as effective when he has a fighter of similar or larger dimensions against him. I picked both Fury and Joshua before those fights, Fury was the first tall fighter Wlad fought that could actually fight. Joshua I was less certain of because of his defensive lapses.

Wlad is a killer of smaller fighters, I just can't see him getting outboxed by someone who is 3-4 inches shorter and someone who was giving up 3 inches in reach, even someone as talented as Ali, for sure he would have success but I think that kind of fight plays into Wlads hands. Which takes me back to my original post, Ali in his era was a big, tall heavyweight, like every fighter he honed his craft based on his physical characteristics against his typical opponent. In this instance he would have to be the one making all the adjustments. Don't get me wrong, he fought taller fighters, but that much taller with that kind of talent, footwork, handspeed, it is a tough style for Ali, Wlad is very defensive minded, probably one of his toughest stylistic match ups that I can think of.

As I said i think he boxes the first 6 or 7 rounds, and i think Ali would be behind and at that point he switches it up and goes looking for the big man, I expect Wlad to start wearing down around 11-12 and Ali stops him late. His toughness, chin, and engine will drown Wlad.

[DreamFighter]

Liston was 6' 1" and incomparable to Wlad stylistically, he stepped in with his jab and was a come forward killer, not to mention he had a lot of success with the jab in their first fight. Either way silly comment.

Who are these fighters Wlad struggled with at range? We are talking Wlad in his prime, so post Brewster.

wlads prime for you starts with that defeat and his marked downturn in opponent quality? ha.

Wlad was prime for all his KO losses apart from joshua (obviously). He just learned to avoid anyone dangerous, and to pay the ref to avoid DQ losses,

[Boxing Goat]

Wepner was never even knocked down prior to fighting Ali. That includes fights with Foreman and Liston. Klitschko has been knocked down at least a dozen times. So your logic is typically ****** once again.

Wepner fought in a small era where almost all of his opponents were bar room bums. And if you don't want to go with him, fine......Joe Frazier and Ken Norton also beat Ali as well and both are nowhere close to as good or as big as Wladimir.

Lol @ defending Wepner! I suddenly remember you now.

[DreamFighter]

and both are nowhere close to as good or as big as Wladimir.

"as big" lol

if only someone had told the Dwead Piwate Woberts, he'd have been ATG number 1 HW.

[sunny31]

wlads prime for you starts with that defeat and his marked downturn in opponent quality? ha.

Wlad was prime for all his KO losses apart from joshua (obviously). He just learned to avoid anyone dangerous, and to pay the ref to avoid DQ losses,

I not a big believer in corruption nowadays, I think a lot of paranoid people for the most part. Wlad didn't really avoid anyone, there was just no one that was any good to box apart from Haye and Povetkin, and I don't think his competition was any better before Brewster, he just had big frailties then. The Mk 2 version didn't, Steward ironed them out slowly but surely.

I thought the Haye performance was good, Povetkin performance was horrible, he should have been DQ'd in that fight I agree, the referee just wasn't brave enough, and I think more often than not, that is the problem.

Anyway as interesting as this convo is, none of it is on topic.

[joseph5620]

Wepner fought in a small era where almost all of his opponents were bar room bums. And if you don't want to go with him, fine......Joe Frazier and Ken Norton also beat Ali as well and both are nowhere close to as good or as big as Wladimir.

Lol @ defending Wepner! I suddenly remember you now.

Yeah it's a shame that killers like Ross Puritty, Lamon Brewster, and Corrie Sander's weren't around during those days.

You're a clown. Claiming that Conor McGregor is a big puncher as a boxer only further shows your ignorance.

[Illmatic94]

this fckery has drained me. throw holy water on this thread to save it from damnation.

[Navalny20!8]

This has to be a troll thread.

[Boxing Goat]

Yeah it's a shame that killers like Ross Puritty, Lamon Brewster, and Corrie Sander's weren't around during those days.

You're a clown. Claiming that Conor McGregor is a big puncher as a boxer only further shows your ignorance.

You should focus on the fact that Wladimir fought in more world HW title fights than any other heavyweight in history and held the title for almost a decade in an era of more athletic, larger fighters who were most likely doping.

And saying that McGregor can't punch at all is a lie is far from saying he's a big puncher in terms of boxing. How much technique should he have in one real boxing training camp you twit. He had enough power to f@ck Paulie's a55 up with headgear on and sparring gloves. Only a fkn moron like you and this other twit would think that because you're a hater. F@ck off