AJ v Wilder - The Breakdown

[club fighter]

Half of your breakdown is pretty good, but the other half is way off IMO.

AJ- Does have power, strength, *decent* left hook, but he's not a "solid all around boxer" because his jab is really slow after the 3rd round and his footwork is basic, enough to keep him out of trouble, but that's it. On the other hand, his inside game isn't bad cause as long as he can get away with clinching, that's part of it, you're right about the chin though.

Wilder- Yes, on fast hands, stamina, & power and I agree on not being a good inside fighter relying on outside power shots to get the job done, but no, his chin is pretty good, the jab (when he throws it crisp) is faster & sharper than AJ's, his footwork has never been a problem, and the wild combos only come out when somebody is hurt.

As for "what could happen", it very well could be an ugly/boring bout but I highly doubt it. With two big men that have it all on the line, I think it more likely be the "hot knife thru butter". Unlike AJ vs JP, which was overly cautious, the first man to connect and get the other in trouble will have the killer instinct end it. Wilder has a slight edge there.

Anything could happen but that's my theory, good thread.

[Sheldon312]

Wilder does not have a better jab than Joshua. He was out jabbed by Washington for Christ sake. Washington has a garbage jab, it's slow and prodding, no snap or power behind it which is why Miller just walked through it.

Look at how Ortiz easily took Wilder's jab away by parrying with the lead right. Sure Ortiz is a southpaw so it's always difficult to land the jab vs a southpaw with a high right hand but Joshua does the same thing out of the orthodox stance, he uses his right hand to catch and parry jabs.

No way Wilder out boxes Joshua. His jab is too much of a weak flicking jab which he paws out, just watch the Washington fight. His jab looks fine against much smaller guys or guys with no jabs but that won't do vs guys like Fury or AJ.

His stance is also too wide, he does it to get leverage and load up on shots. But the problem with that is it limits his movement so he's forced to lean way, way back or to the side and puts himself in bad positions were he can't counter or even worst where he's off balance. Remember when that happened vs Washington and he had to do that little bunny hop so not to fall over. Joshua is going to punish these mistakes badly when they do meet.

I agree. Like I said, I always favor the more skilled fighter when power is minimal

[sotgoda]

I wouldn't stay at mid and long range if I was AJ. Closer the safer imo. And I know he's a better boxer than Wilder but so are lots of people.

I sincerely doubt Wilder would be able to push around AJ or Fury. Proof will be in the pudding I guess.

But obviously pushing around Ortiz in round 10 different than pushing him around in round 1.

Wilder is superbly conditioned athlete.

Country strong? Must be an Americanism. Farm strong is what we would use. I have family in Ireland who are farmers. Just look at it as a more a practical application of strength not being stronger per se.

Wilder is a greyhound.

Well said, bro. Know folks from Ireland that Americans will call country strong. They are also real folks - not filled with the pretenses we see in the world today. On the Ortiz push, I think it was round 3 or so - not round 10. Ortiz tried to come in with some combinations, Wilder covers up and then shoves him backwards. He does that to minimize the amount of combinations thrown at him. I see him doing to AJ too.

[sotgoda]

Pay attention to the fact that he didn't reply anymore. I'll be making a thread to school these guys this week, I'm counting on you

Aiight, bro! I am just tired of having to argue about this fight. I just want them to make the fight - too many illogical and irrational folks on here.

[Sparked_26]

Well said, bro. Know folks from Ireland that Americans will call country strong. They are also real folks - not filled with the pretenses we see in the world today. On the Ortiz push, I think it was round 3 or so - not round 10. Ortiz tried to come in with some combinations, Wilder covers up and then shoves him backwards. He does that to minimize the amount of combinations thrown at him. I see him doing to AJ too.

I slightly favour Wilder anyway but if Wilder is as strong/er then I'd be worried. But I'd still be very surprised.

[KingHippo]

Wilder weaknesses -
Chin?
Non-existent inside ability
Weak jab
Lack of activity throughout
Wild, uneducated combinations
Relies too heavily on power
Weak footwork, especially when running back from punches