Dillian Whyte vs Big Baby Miller is still the fight to make

[Eff Pandas]

I'm not really saying that Wilder himself is scared of Whyte, but that his handlers must have seen Ortiz as a less risky option.

I haven't seen any non-Whyte fanboys saying Ortiz was the least risky option. In fact most seemed to say he was the most risky option in the whole division, including Parker the other title holder, of the guys under Wilder.

If it was a case of Haymon telling Wilder to turn down Whyte and fight Ortiz instead, because then it's going to be one of his guys who goes on to the AJ payday, whoever wins, that would reflect very badly on Haymon, his image, and his ability to carry on doing business as a boxing "advisor"

Like I said I think there is more in the contract details & we don't see them so saying "$3M deal vs $1.5M deal....you stoopid if you don't take the $3M deal" is a simple way of thinking.

I also think sometimes in boxing you need to consider the long game & I think bending to Hearn w/o a better dangling carrot than more pay, like a guaranteed fight with Joshua for the winner, is taking the sucker role. And not taking the sucker role will more often then not work in your favor in the future.

Mainly doe I can see how that offer might not make sense in many ways due to our incomplete knowledge of what the deal was or wasn't. I for one thought Broner was "stoopid" for turning down that Manny offer til I heard Arum was trying to get him to sign some 360 record deal type offer to get that fight.

All I can say on the matter is that if I was advising Wilder and I wanted to maximise his chances of getting a mega fight with AJ, I would have advised him to turn down Whyte and go for Ortiz instead, because I personally would have seen that as the easier option.

I don't see how you maximize your chances fighting a guy most see as an inferior opponent. This fight is gonna be a mega fight whenever it happens if Hearn does his job as I suspect he will when/if the fight does get made.

[kafkod]

I think Haye was on point. Weight loss doesn't mean you are in shape necessarily. Plus he'd been out of the ring for awhile. He seemed like he didn't wanna be there to me.

And outside of the jab & KO I think WHYTE looked like garbage to.

I think Del Boy mighta beaten Whyte last night if that had been the fight. And randomly I wouldn't hate seeing that fight again for the competitiveness of their first fight.

I really can't understand why you would think that way, tbh. And nobody, at least on this side of the pond, is agreeing with you there.

Personally, watching the fight, I thought that Dillian looked sharper than I've ever seen him look before. His punches were snappy and accurate, especially the jab, his balance was good, and he was mixing in body punches with the upstairs work very well indeed. And that one punch KO finish, with a left hook he could hardly throw at all before his shoulder surgery, was the icing on the cake.

Looking at the reactions and reviews earlier today, every single one I saw was saying exactly the same thing. Please, do me a favour and watch the fight again!

[kafkod]

I haven't seen any non-Whyte fanboys saying Ortiz was the least risky option. In fact most seemed to say he was the most risky option in the whole division, including Parker the other title holder, of the guys under Wilder.



Like I said I think there is more in the contract details & we don't see them so saying "$3M deal vs $1.5M deal....you stoopid if you don't take the $3M deal" is a simple way of thinking.

I also think sometimes in boxing you need to consider the long game & I think bending to Hearn w/o a better dangling carrot than more pay, like a guaranteed fight with Joshua for the winner, is taking the sucker role. And not taking the sucker role will more often then not work in your favor in the future.

Mainly doe I can see how that offer might not make sense in many ways due to our incomplete knowledge of what the deal was or wasn't. I for one thought Broner was "stoopid" for turning down that Manny offer til I heard Arum was trying to get him to sign some 360 record deal type offer to get that fight.



I don't see how you maximize your chances fighting a guy most see as an inferior opponent. This fight is gonna be a mega fight whenever it happens if Hearn does his job as I suspect he will when/if the fight does get made.

One way not to maximise your chances is to fight the more dangerous of 2 options on the table.

Were a lot of boxing people in the US over rating Luis Ortiz and under rating Dillian Whyte?

Did Wilder's handlers realise that and decide to capitalise on it?

My answer to both those questions is yes.

[Eff Pandas]

One way not to maximise your chances is to fight the more dangerous of 2 options on the table.

I disagree. It was a risk, but its a risk that paid off.

Were a lot of boxing people in the US over rating Luis Ortiz and under rating Dillian Whyte?

Actually thats funny. Cuz I was underrating Ortiz BEFORE the fight & he gained points with me after the fight. So I don't relate to that question at all. And I think Whyte is a non-entity in this equation & if he wasn't with Hearn that would be obvious. The only reason Whyte is getting brought up so much is cuz of Matchroom's ability to make guys relevant.

Did Wilder's handlers realise that and decide to capitalise on it?

I don't think so. I think they knew it was a risky fight. It was a risky fight. But he won & I think he just made fans wanna see Joshua vs Wilder more.

[Eff Pandas]

I really can't understand why you would think that way, tbh. And nobody, at least on this side of the pond, is agreeing with you there.

Personally, watching the fight, I thought that Dillian looked sharper than I've ever seen him look before. His punches were snappy and accurate, especially the jab, his balance was good, and he was mixing in body punches with the upstairs work very well indeed. And that one punch KO finish, with a left hook he could hardly throw at all before his shoulder surgery, was the icing on the cake.

Looking at the reactions and reviews earlier today, every single one I saw was saying exactly the same thing. Please, do me a favour and watch the fight again!

I'll check it out later. I found it boring & ugly the first time so not super amped to see it again, but I respect more of your opinions than not so I'll check it out later to potentially reconsider my thoughts.

[kafkod]

I'll check it out later. I found it boring & ugly the first time so not super amped to see it again, but I respect more of your opinions than not so I'll check it out later to potentially reconsider my thoughts.

Cheers!

I guess it might seem a little weird praising a world class contender for not looking sloppy and off balance. But sloppyness, bad balance and clumsy footwork were always problems for Whyte in the past. Even when he was on top and winning fights against easy opponents, he often looked terrible.

Same thing applies to Wilder doe. How many times has he got his feet tangled, lurched around the ring like a drunk after swinging and missing, etc, and people have said exactly the same thing as you said about Whyte - he can't box for ****, if he'd been in with a better opponent, he would have got murdered.