Dillian Whyte vs Big Baby Miller is still the fight to make

[Eff Pandas]

Just to clarily, I meant that I predicted Whyte to win on points, or maybe late KO, not Browne.

Yea I know. I understood you, I predicted Whyte by decision too. I'm just saying I still expected more from Browne.

I lost a bit of money betting on Whyte to win vs AJ. I had that fight 60/40 AJ, but the odds against Whyte were so good that I decided to put a tenner on him winning inside the distance, because I know that AJ gasses and Whyte just keeps coming and coming. I still believe that if Dillian hadn't been carrying a bad left shoulder injury going in, that bet would have payed off.

They have both improved a lot since then. If they fought again I would still see it the same way - 60/40 AJ, and for the same reasons.

Damn. You really dig Whyte's skill or dislike AJ's.

I don't recall my full take on the first fight outside of I thought Joshua would win, but I know I'm overly critical of guys with garbage/manufactured resumes like Whyte has so I was surely surprised with his performance. I still see a huge gap in nearly every area (I do like Whyte's jab, but thats about it) with Joshua on top between these two. And I still just see Whyte as a guy who's had two real fights & he got KO'd in one & he shoulda lost the other.

This fight last night with Browne seemed like it was going to be another real fight for Whyte, but ultimately Browne didn't show up to put forth a real effort. Not Whyte's fault that happened, but it still wasn't a real fight.

Either way here's to hoping Whyte fights Big Baby, Joshua again, Wilder, Parker or Ortiz or someone I see as a real opponent for him so these Whyte disputes can come to a head one way or another.

[kafkod]

I wouldn't hate seeing these two fight. I think that'd be a more interesting fight than Whyte vs Wilder or Joshua II.

I think Big Baby vs Whyte is the most interesting fight for Whyte. I wouldn't hate seeing the winner of that fight getting a shot at Wilder or Joshua. But I've just not seen Whyte do anything he wasn't supposed to do to get all this UK fan love. He was life & death with Del Boy. Del Boy lol. I can't get over that is part of it I guess. I thought he looked the superior guy today, but he still looked like garbage (outside of the KO) & was wide open to be hit vs better opposition. Agree to disagree doe.

And part of me will be happy when Whyte gets a big fight so I can be proven wrong or we can quit talking about this mfer in a serious way cuz he stunned Joshua once upon a time. I'm more excited about Daniel Dubois in a couple years on the UK side than Whyte x2 of what he is now.

I'm curious to get your opinion on why Wilder turned down an offer to fight Whyte for $3million, plus the entire US income, and opted for Ortiz, for around $1.5million instead.

Whyte would have been a career high purse for Deontay, and it would have almost certainly put him next in line for AJ, after Parker, if he'd won.

I can't see any reason why he would have turned that offer down, if he didn't think that Whyte was a more risky opponent than Ortiz.

[_Rexy_]

I'm curious to get your opinion on why Wilder turned down an offer to fight Whyte for $3million, plus the entire US income, and opted for Ortiz, for around $1.5million instead.

Whyte would have been a career high purse for Deontay, and it would have almost certainly put him next in line for AJ, after Parker, if he'd won.

I can't see any reason why he would have turned that offer down, if he didn't think that Whyte was a more risky opponent than Ortiz.

Personally, I believe it was about shutting up the naysayers. Until that fight, everyone was saying how Deontay ducked Ortiz and Povetkin (even though they both pissed dirty) and he was afraid of Ortiz. I don't think anyone would think Whyte is better than Ortiz.

[Vinnykin]

I'm curious to get your opinion on why Wilder turned down an offer to fight Whyte for $3million, plus the entire US income, and opted for Ortiz, for around $1.5million instead.

Whyte would have been a career high purse for Deontay, and it would have almost certainly put him next in line for AJ, after Parker, if he'd won.

I can't see any reason why he would have turned that offer down, if he didn't think that Whyte was a more risky opponent than Ortiz.

Wilder and his team are not prepared to risk travelling before an AJ fight.

It's funny how Hearn has already lined up Povetkin, Wilder or Whyte for after the Parker fight (and is promoting both Wilder and Povetkin at the same time)..... strangely enough I haven't heard one thing from Wilder's team about any opponents in case AJ loses, or that fight ends on a cut or a draw or AJ loses and they have a rematch..... NOTHING.....it's like they are waiting for AJ like idiots. Wilder's team have no plan B, it's AJ and cash out or nothing.

[kafkod]

Yea I know. I understood you, I predicted Whyte by decision too. I'm just saying I still expected more from Browne.



Damn. You really dig Whyte's skill or dislike AJ's.

I don't recall my full take on the first fight outside of I thought Joshua would win, but I know I'm overly critical of guys with garbage/manufactured resumes like Whyte has so I was surely surprised with his performance. I still see a huge gap in nearly every area (I do like Whyte's jab, but thats about it) with Joshua on top between these two. And I still just see Whyte as a guy who's had two real fights & he got KO'd in one & he shoulda lost the other.

This fight last night with Browne seemed like it was going to be another real fight for Whyte, but ultimately Browne didn't show up to put forth a real effort. Not Whyte's fault that happened, but it still wasn't a real fight.

Either way here's to hoping Whyte fights Big Baby, Joshua again, Wilder, Parker or Ortiz or someone I see as a real opponent for him so these Whyte disputes can come to a head one way or another.

I think Browne did show up ready to put in a real effort. It just isn't in his character to turn up and roll over for a payday, especially not against somebody he disliked as much as Whyte.

I discount what David Haye said about Browne looking like he hadn't prepared properly. Browne always looks pudgy round the waist, and he has weighed in heavier than he did for Whyte in the past.

To me, it turned into a one-sided massacre because Dillian Whyte performed better than he has ever done in the past.
I think his new trainer, Mark Tibbs, is bringing out the best in him, and he is going to be a real force in the division.

[Eff Pandas]

I'm curious to get your opinion on why Wilder turned down an offer to fight Whyte for $3million, plus the entire US income, and opted for Ortiz, for around $1.5million instead.

I think there's weird sh^t with some of these PBC big name guys fighting outside of the PBC brand/Showtime/etc.

And I don't know the full details of the offer. From my understanding there was no guarantee he'd get Joshua next if he beats Whyte. So with that logic it seems like you are just giving Matchroom the upper hand in any talks beyond what Matchroom already has. Its an inferior position to take to bend without something to show for it besides money.

I also think Ortiz was the bigger head on his wall than Whyte. Most boxing pundits considered Ortiz a bigger threat to Wilder (& Joshua) then Whyte is to Wilder (or Joshua) so its a weird thing to kinda sorta dog him about.

Whyte would have been a career high purse for Deontay, and it would have almost certainly put him next in line for AJ, after Parker, if he'd won.

If Hearn woulda put that in the contract I feel its much more likey he woulda took the fight. I think Wilder just wants to fight Joshua cuz thats the fight to make that'll pay both guys career high paydays.

I can't see any reason why he would have turned that offer down, if he didn't think that Whyte was a more risky opponent than Ortiz.

I think contract details & business tactics is some sh^t few boxing fans wanna talk about, wanna understand + we seldom to never know the full details on so thats among the most speculative things we talk about here.

So I'm not surprised you can't understand these types of things when you are only looking at the angle you wanna see it from ("Wilder scared!!!" "Whyte would beat Wilder") from what I see with how you are saying what you are saying.

But guys don't get as far as Wilder or Joshua have gotten by being worried about losing. Hell Parker either. I think Parker is gonna get flattened next weekend, but I don't think his mindset works like that. He believes he's gonna beat Joshua this weekend. And if he didn't have that sorta confidence he probably wouldn't have gotten as far as he's gotten.

[kafkod]

Personally, I believe it was about shutting up the naysayers. Until that fight, everyone was saying how Deontay ducked Ortiz and Povetkin (even though they both pissed dirty) and he was afraid of Ortiz. I don't think anyone would think Whyte is better than Ortiz.

No way!

I simply can't accept that any pro boxer, especially not one who is advised by Al Haymon, would take what he believed to be a riskier fight, for considerably less money than an easier alternative, just to prove a point to a few ****** internet trolls!

[Eff Pandas]

I think Browne did show up ready to put in a real effort. It just isn't in his character to turn up and roll over for a payday, especially not against somebody he disliked as much as Whyte.

I discount what David Haye said about Browne looking like he hadn't prepared properly. Browne always looks pudgy round the waist, and he has weighed in heavier than he did for Whyte in the past.

To me, it turned into a one-sided massacre because Dillian Whyte performed better than he has ever done in the past.
I think his new trainer, Mark Tibbs, is bringing out the best in him, and he is going to be a real force in the division.

I think Haye was on point. Weight loss doesn't mean you are in shape necessarily. Plus he'd been out of the ring for awhile. He seemed like he didn't wanna be there to me.

And outside of the jab & KO I think WHYTE looked like garbage to.

I think Del Boy mighta beaten Whyte last night if that had been the fight. And randomly I wouldn't hate seeing that fight again for the competitiveness of their first fight.

[kafkod]

I think there's weird sh^t with some of these PBC big name guys fighting outside of the PBC brand/Showtime/etc.

And I don't know the full details of the offer. From my understanding there was no guarantee he'd get Joshua next if he beats Whyte. So with that logic it seems like you are just giving Matchroom the upper hand in any talks beyond what Matchroom already has. Its an inferior position to take to bend without something to show for it besides money.

I also think Ortiz was the bigger head on his wall than Whyte. Most boxing pundits considered Ortiz a bigger threat to Wilder (& Joshua) then Whyte is to Wilder (or Joshua) so its a weird thing to kinda sorta dog him about.



If Hearn woulda put that in the contract I feel its much more likey he woulda took the fight. I think Wilder just wants to fight Joshua cuz thats the fight to make that'll pay both guys career high paydays.



I think contract details & business tactics is some sh^t few boxing fans wanna talk about, wanna understand + we seldom to never know the full details on so thats among the most speculative things we talk about here.

So I'm not surprised you can't understand these types of things when you are only looking at the angle you wanna see it from ("Wilder scared!!!" "Whyte would beat Wilder") from what I see with how you are saying what you are saying.

But guys don't get as far as Wilder or Joshua have gotten by being worried about losing. Hell Parker either. I think Parker is gonna get flattened next weekend, but I don't think his mindset works like that. He believes he's gonna beat Joshua this weekend. And if he didn't have that sorta confidence he probably wouldn't have gotten as far as he's gotten.

I'm not really saying that Wilder himself is scared of Whyte, but that his handlers must have seen Ortiz as a less risky option.

If it was a case of Haymon telling Wilder to turn down Whyte and fight Ortiz instead, because then it's going to be one of his guys who goes on to the AJ payday, whoever wins, that would reflect very badly on Haymon, his image, and his ability to carry on doing business as a boxing "advisor"

All I can say on the matter is that if I was advising Wilder and I wanted to maximise his chances of getting a mega fight with AJ, I would have advised him to turn down Whyte and go for Ortiz instead, because I personally would have seen that as the easier option.

Another explanation is that there is much more going on behind the scenes than we know about. Hearn has a good relationship with Haymon and De Cubas. Let's wait and see what happens when, and if, AJ deals with Parker.

[Vinnykin]

I think Browne did show up ready to put in a real effort. It just isn't in his character to turn up and roll over for a payday, especially not against somebody he disliked as much as Whyte.

I discount what David Haye said about Browne looking like he hadn't prepared properly. Browne always looks pudgy round the waist, and he has weighed in heavier than he did for Whyte in the past.

To me, it turned into a one-sided massacre because Dillian Whyte performed better than he has ever done in the past.
I think his new trainer, Mark Tibbs, is bringing out the best in him, and he is going to be a real force in the division.

I agree to a certain extent, and this is always the case when analysing a fight - was one fighter so bad that he made the other guy look good, or was the other guy so good he made the other look bad? and that is entirely subjective.

I have seen nearly every Whyte fight, so I like to think my opinion holds weight over someone who has only seen him the last 2 years and checks Boxrec for his record.

Whyte has improved drastically from the Joshua fight and is just starting to look like a legit contender. He has been in with durable guys like Allen and Lewison at British level and used those fights to work on things and get his shoulder back....then he fought Chisora in a war that proved his fitness and chin (despite it being close), good learning fight. He then fought Tann in a fight I didn't think was worthwhile (still, travelling experience), and then Helenius who was awkward and rangy and a bad style match up. During all of these fights he has for the first time been under the guidance of one trainer, and so I see Whyte as a work in progress and learning all the time.

In the Browne fight I seen a compact Whyte who was really using the ring and boxing well, everything was good, the jab, the right counter, and he was targeting the body now and again, his defence was good also. His movement was more thought out (in the past he was too loose and floaty and bouncing around for no reason, he wasn't sitting down on punches and looking for explosive power shots), this made his jab weak because his foot work wasn't allowing him to plant himself before every punch and he wasn't setting punches up.

I seen improvement in every area from Whyte last night, which resulted in a one-sided beatdown. Can you judge him from that performance? no, can you see improvements in his technique? yes.

Whyte is learning on the job and boxed well and smart against an old and limited Browne. His fundamentals were on point for probably the first time in his career and he looks to have developed explosive, fast counters and has ring craft due to his learning fights.

A good mixture of technique and power and can go to war and box and move.

Whyte is ready for any fighter in the HW division and can give any one a hard nights work due to his chin, conditioning and now boxing skill.