Comments Thread For: WBC Doctor on Canelo: Everything Points To Contamination

[bigdunny1]

So Canelo failed two tests. The first sample showed 600-800 pg of clenbuterol, and the second 60-80 pg.

1. WADA stated that to produce 50 pg in urine, it would have been necessary to have eaten meat which had been killed very soon after the last dosing of the animal with Clenbuterol. http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/73...ent-tests.aspx

2. When the drug was orally administered repeatedly to men twice a day, the plasma level reached the plateau within 4 d after the initial administration. At that time, the plasma levels of the unchanged form were 200 to 300 pg/ml and 500 to 600 pg/ml at doses of 20 and 40 micrograms/man, respectively. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/4045696/

Again, the first sample showed 600-800 pg of clenbuterol. This is hardly a very small amount if medication produces that level and less. The second failed test a couple days later possibly shows a trace amount of that last dosage.

That's simply not true literally every drug testing agency states less then 1ng is low trace amount and consistent with meat contamination studies.

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/i...golovkin-fight

As Daniel Eichner, director of [the Sports Medicine Research and Testing Laboratory], the WADA-accredited lab that conducted the tests stated in his letter [Monday], 'These values are all within the range of what is expected from meat contamination.'


So the WADA director of the lab that does these tests is lying? SMH

[HarvardBlue]

"Probably" ingested contaminated meat is not a definitive conclusion. Neither is "potential" contamination. You could easily say he probably cheated also.

The only conclusive fact is he had two failed drug tests.

[kafkod]

You keep saying more then Contador like that means he had a lot in his system. lol He didn't every test agency and drug expert says he had extremely little trace and unlike Contador who had even smaller amounts he lives in a country that has meat contamination that's why his case is different and why contador was banned and numerous Mexican athletes or athletes who were in Mexico exposed to the meat werent. It's a major factor that you keep ignoring. Contador didn't have a valid excuse for any amounts being in his system and Europe doesn't have meat contamination problem. VADA, USADA, WADA all recognize the problem in Mexico and rightfully take that into consideration. Numerous athletes that are not as popular in other sports outside of boxing have not been punished for similar low traces in their system which they consider consistent with meat contamination. And WBC just confirmed what LA Times reported. That the following tests on Canelo have all come up negative for any substances.

Told by two officials that VADA tested @Canelo twice more on March 3 and 5 in Mexico and both results are preliminarily negative for clenbuterol or any banned substance.

— Lance Pugmire (@latimespugmire) March 9, 2018

Are you dis*****g the fact that if Canelo lived anywhere but Mexico he would have been banned for the amount of clen that showed up in his test?

Being Mexican and residing in Mexico got him off the hook, and that's a fact, but it certainly doesn't mean that anybody can say for sure that he wasn't cheating.

[New England]

canelo could literally buy and freeze a side of beef if he cared to. get it imported. get it certified. do what you have to do. you're a multi million dollar athlete and you have a responsibility to pass these drug tests. he's negligent and ****** at the least.


i don't believe a word a WBC doctor says. athletic commission, either. those organizations both have a history of being corrupt.


all of that said, it is also entirely possible that canelo is clean. they shoot up beef with clenbuterol, and god knows what else, over there.

[Ake-Dawg]

VADA did their job .. they tested Canelo and they flagged him when a test came up positive.

What happens after that is out of VADA's hands.

Good post. VADA isn't judge and jury for fighters. Ask Povetkin.

[bigdunny1]

Why is the WBC and WBA coming to Canelo's offense so quickly? Once again, if this was a white or black fighter, they would be crucified to the highest order.

Because the testing agency and all the drug experts have all said the evidence so far leans to meat contamination. And there is already precedent in boxing and other sports of other athletes not being punished for the exact same scenario. The NFL black player in totally different sport with much stricter drug suspension policy was not banned or suspended for similar traces in his system after 1 week vacation to mexico. You are making this about race when it's about mexico having a documented problem with their meat source.

[kafkod]

"Probably" ingested contaminated meat is not a definitive conclusion. Neither is "potential" contamination. You could easily say he probably cheated also.

The only conclusive fact is he had two failed drug tests.

That's the truth and nothing but the truth.

[factsarenice]

WBC is a corrupt thug outfit

WBC has absolutely no credibility, it's corrupt. No credibility at all and I mean that in the strictest sense...none as in nothing, zero.

[bigdunny1]

Are you dis*****g the fact that if Canelo lived anywhere but Mexico he would have been banned for the amount of clen that showed up in his test?

Being Mexican and residing in Mexico got him off the hook, and that's a fact, but it certainly doesn't mean that anybody can say for sure that he wasn't cheating.

No shyt that's the difference. VADA, WADA, USADA all recognize that living in mexico exposes you to this shyt so they don't treat someone living in mexico having it the same as someone living elsewhere that has no plausible excuse for how it could enter your body. And just living in Mexico doesn't give you a license to use this as Memo and the testing agencies have stated the amounts in your system from meat contamination is different then taking pills of this shyt. The levels found in Canelo's system are extremely low consistent with meat contamination. And every test he's had before or since has shown no traces. Leading to more credence that this was as all the experts keep saying likely meat contamination.

[kafkod]

Because the testing agency and all the drug experts have all said the evidence so far leans to meat contamination. And there is already precedent in boxing and other sports of other athletes not being punished for the exact same scenario. The NFL black player in totally different sport with much stricter drug suspension policy was not banned or suspended for similar traces in his system after 1 week vacation to mexico. You are making this about race when it's about mexico having a documented problem with their meat source.

All the experts haven't said that and the testing agency didn't say that either.

What they said was that his results were within the range of possible accidental ingestion from meat contamination, and they don't have the means to determine whether he cheated or not.