Comments Thread For: Wilder: Last Fight Showed Nobody Has Skill Set To Beat Me!

[juggernaut666]

If Ortiz was 30 instead of 40 yea I can see your point. This win is equal to when Mike Tyson knock out old Larry Holmes who was 38 at the time as well

Holmes only TRUE defeat where there was no question was against Mike Tyson.

Holmes came back some 3 years later and defeated Mercer a year after he came back then took Holyfield the distance .

Holmes was a top guy in the 80's at ALL points in time just like Ortiz is now until proven otherwise . Anything else is again a double standard .


Theres a dozen fighters around the corner that will prove more dangerous than Ortiz but right now hes a top fighter and has a good 2 years left before we actually see a rapid decline due to age that then can be used as a excuse . Right now based on his fight ?

On the thread itself ..... no his fights are and did show less skillful guys can potentially cause an upset . Relying on a K.O is never better than relying on skills themselves !

One thing about M.Tyson is he relied on being evasive to set up his punches ,total opposite of wait for a K.O shot ,one at a time Wilder that gives up rnds where M.Tyson barely lost them.

[Shadoww702]

yea because a mere 8 seconds is ALOT longer than that minute wilder was in trouble in the 7th

Just in general NY has some weird boxing rules. I dibt care about the insurance. Im talkong about stopping fights when a guy goes down or spending extra time letting then get right again

[Holler]

Comparisons with Larry Holmes are wide of the mark. He will go down as an all time great and his accomplishments are way beyond those of Ortiz at a time of much greater depth in the division.

When he came back he was still a very clever fighter but he was far slower, less mobile and crucially no longer the bristling fearsome presence of his heyday when he had a real aura about him.

right now hes a top fighter and has a good 2 years left before we actually see a rapid decline due to age that then can be used as a excuse

I think you can already see a decline based on the performances in the three fights prior to the Wilder clash. Was some of this due to removal of PED's following his positive test? Maybe. Either way he looks a diminished fighter.

[juggernaut666]

Comparisons with Larry Holmes are wide of the mark. He will go down as an all time great and his accomplishments are way beyond those of Ortiz at a time of much greater depth in the division.

When he came back he was still a very clever fighter but he was far slower, less mobile and crucially no longer the bristling fearsome presence of his heyday when he had a real aura about him.




I think you can already see a decline based on the performances in the three fights prior to the Wilder clash. Was some of this due to removal of PED's following his positive test? Maybe. Either way he looks a diminished fighter.

Holmes doesnt have to go down as a ATG ....he is one .


ATG has no meaning with the actual quality of both fighters which both were /are quality fighters for when they were /are fighting. One has to keep in mind Ortiz is a skillful PUNCHER which adds another dimension to him in this era as well as a skilled SHW southpaw .



Ortiz performance against Wilder showed anything but decline . The fact is his power hand ,the left hand was up against a 6'7 guy with a speed advantage . The fight stillis 50/50 ...45 /55 , anyway you want to lookat it .

Holmes OWN words stated he was a stronger fighter when weighing 220's ,he even stated he struggled in fights around 210 mark bc of it . You cant simply use age to determine when one starts to erode to call them over the hill and not relevant ,you can still gage where a fighters levels at by the fights themselves .

Is Ortiz not top level ? You dont out box Wilder for 10 rnds and almost K.O him if thats the case ,and Holmes in the 80's was still formidable as Klitchko was against Joshua , to a lesser extent .

Ortiz diminished ? Not where he has shown not to be still top level ,no one can argue that bc his recent fight disproves that .

[Sid-Knee]

The skills of Ortiz were taking care of you until he gassed out badly. Only then were you able to have some success.

Any sort of skill, even the lower level guys, cause Wilder big problems. So I don't buy that no one is skilled enough to beat him. Not even close.

[Awhispersecho]

It's funny how riled up people get over things Wilder says. People need to remember that he's not saying anything for us, he says it for himself.
Speak it, believe it, receive it. That's what he believes and practices. Regardless of whether the things he says are true or not, regardless if any of us believe him or not, he believes in the laws of attraction and creating your own destiny. He has stated this over and over and he lives his life that way. It will be interesting to see how far this can take him and if it fails, it will be interesting to see how much that brings him down. Either way, let the man say what he wants, and just remember the reason he is saying it. It's not for us.

[Larry the boss]

Honestly last fight showed all of your flaws but also showed what made you able to be a top level fighter...but you have severe flaws

[Larry the boss]

I wouldn't go that far. There's still a guy out there named Joshua

That was getting out boxed and even dropped by a 42 year old coming off of a lose and a 2 year lay off??

[kimboslice7]

The only boxer that comes close to beating wilder is a.j. the rest of the boxers out there are just embarrassment to boxing with all these drug cheats.

[vitali1999]

That was getting out boxed and even dropped by a 42 year old coming off of a lose and a 2 year lay off??

Don't forget he also beat undefeated top ranked contenders Whyte, Martin and Breazeale.