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Come on now.
Duran was an ATG. He had success above WW, and even came close to beating Marvin when he was at his peak at MW. You need to apply context here. And it wouldn't be akin to Floyd having lost to a SBW champ.
Floyd never came close to losing to a guy smaller than himself? But look at how big Floyd was with his huge reach. Look at the guys he fought. It's a ridiculous line of thought. Camacho? Ray was shot at that point.
If you're looking at H2H, that's a different argument. But if you're looking at resume, Ray clearly ranks higher. It's quality over quantity.
Ray beat a peak version of Benitez.
He had a shoot out against Hearns and knocked him out.
He psyched out Duran.
He moved up to MW and beat Marvin after a 3 year lay off.
Floyd's best win was over a faded and inactive Oscar who pushed him close.Comment
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Freddie roach, manny, and bob arum all said it themselves. They prevented the 2010 fight, they pulled out even though it was almost a done deal and floyd agreed to fight.
In 2012 bob arum didn't use a drug testing excuse, instead he just flat out ducked floyd and used more creative excuses like needing to build a stadium and needing time to heal from a cut.Last edited by mcdonalds; 03-15-2018, 05:38 PM.Comment
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Any logical fan knows what i'm saying is 100% true, The only people that believe floyd ducked manny are Pactrds and casuals .
All of the facts point to bob arum and top rank preventing the fight from happening. Floyd was the one who signed his part of the contract to fight, not manny. Floyd was the one who made an effort to fight in 2012 not bob arum and manny.
Instead bob arum made excuse after excuse after excuse.Comment
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The timelines are still available online.
You have mixed up various pieces of the puzzle to suit your argument.
Go back and have a look.
Manny originally wanted a cut off after what had happened against Morales in 2005, when he had to have his blood retaken just prior to the fight, as the lab had somehow mislaid it. He said it weakened him, and even Morales agreed.
When Floyd was first asked about fighting Manny, he never had any intention of cleaning up the sport of boxing and his only concern for a potential fight was how much he was going to get paid. It was only after his Father had accused Manny of being a cheat (without a shred of evidence) that Floyd began to hurl insults and accusations around.
Floyd then demanded the tests. Manny agreed, but he wanted a window. He did however say that he'd be willing to give urine up to the day of the fight and an imnediate after fight blood test. Considering there was no evidence of any wrongdoing and Manny only wanted a 2 week window out of a 9-10 week camp, that should have been sufficient. Especially with an immediate after fight blood test, and the fact that no one else had an issue fighting Manny. They then went back and forth regarding the number of days in the window.
Then we had all of 'he said she said' nonsense with Arum etc.
Manny then made a public statement saying that he would agree to all of Floyd's demands.
Floyd then claimed he wanted all of the PPV revenue.
The whole thing was a circus.
To any knowledgeable fan, the fact that it still took 3 years for the fight to happen after Manny had agreed to all of Floyd's testing demands, proves that it was never the testing that had prevented an earlier fight.
The whole thing was an absolute joke. We ended up with the Mayweather's apologising in a court of law for having no evidence of any wrongdoing as well as paying a fine, before then finding out that Floyd had used 750ml of saline at home for supposedly being severely dehydrated, despite the fact that he was fine at the weigh-in, the work had been done, and he was only 3-4 pounds out at the 30 day out mark.
The whole saga left a horrible taste in the mouth and the fight was absolutely garbage with no relevance.Last edited by robertzimmerman; 03-15-2018, 06:02 PM.Comment
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