Roach is the most overrated trainer in history

[ShoulderRoll]

First, for people who feel sorry for his disease, understand that Freddie has smashed some of the finest chicks in the game using his overrated status as a "legendary" boxing trainer.

Dude has private sex parties, private strip shows, and even got Manny in trouble a few times.

Doesn't teach his fighters any defense or adjustments, just tells them to throw punches + foot movement = his fighters getting KTFO.

Could barely finish a coherent sentence. How the fk u gonna train someone??

Pacquiao made roach, not the other way around.

Hope Pac leaves him for good.

What's your source for Roach having private sex parties and strip shows?

[Gigantes]

Curious to know what your trainer experiences consist of?
You know where your gym is and what amateur and boxing accolades you've achieved.
You see before you degrade a top tier pro you need to show some of your own credentials so you don't sound like some "fanboy" just running his mouth for attention.

I know a little bit about Freddy because he fought in my region (Region 1) when he was an amateur. I also remember him under Georgie Benton too.

As for me I was state, region and national coach. I was a state chairman also and a J.O. national rep.
Here's a few fighters who I prepped and used my gym;
Saad Mohammed ......light heavy champion of the world
Marlon Starling...... welterweight champion of the world
Lou Stecca ........lightweight champion of the world
Ray Leonard........ welterweight champion of the world
Ty Booze ....cruiser weight champion of the world

I can go on for a while but to be honest I forgot more than I remember.

I get a kick out of anyone on here who has NO experience on any level in the sport who openly critics a proven fighter or trainer who has won awards and who in Freddie's case has proven fighters seek him out for help.

So by all means list a few of your accomplishments!

Ray Corso

green k, nice Ray

[Make U Cry]

Since when do you need to have comparable accolades to be able to criticise someone who is in the public sphere, what a load of BS, I guess we all cant say a thing about any boxer and..even journeymen and all boxing forums should be shut down! seen as the majority of boxing fans haven't competed themselves. When you go out to compete in a sport where fans watch in droves and spend money in the thousands and hours of their lives debating and watching it then you are open to criticism and comparison and analysis, I don't think any reasonable person would argue with that. You sound like you wanted any opportunity to list your experience lol Ray Corso

Lol he sure did.

[Willy Wanker]

You sound like you wanted any opportunity to list your experience lol Ray Corso

[McNulty]

Curious to know what your trainer experiences consist of?

You know where your gym is and what amateur and boxing accolades you've achieved.

You see before you degrade a top tier pro you need to show some of your own credentials so you don't sound like some "fanboy" just running his mouth for attention.

I know a little bit about Freddy because he fought in my region (Region 1) when he was an amateur. I also remember him under Georgie Benton too.

As for me I was state, region and national coach. I was a state chairman also and a J.O. national rep.

Here's a few fighters who I prepped and used my gym:

Saad Mohammed ......light heavy champion of the world
Marlon Starling...... welterweight champion of the world
Lou Stecca ........lightweight champion of the world
Ray Leonard........ welterweight champion of the world
Ty Booze ....cruiser weight champion of the world

I can go on for a while but to be honest I forgot more than I remember.

I get a kick out of anyone on here who has NO experience on any level in the sport who openly critics a proven fighter or trainer who has won awards and who in Freddie's case has proven fighters seek him out for help.

So by all means list a few of your accomplishments!

Ray Corso

I prefer to remain anonymous, but I've got quite a bit experience. We had two champs at my last gym and they weren't champs on Leonard's, Starling, or Saad's level that's for sure. But, I think that's besides your point.

I fought in the Am's, sparred with our champs (domestic and world), beat up on an ISKA world champ, competed in tournaments, family of boxers (pro and am), had the best trainers in my state (you would know all three of them). I trained fighters as well, just beginner's and Amateurs. I have a high level of education and know quite a bit about advanced training methods.

With that said, Freddy Roach is a middling to poor trainer.

Pacquiao's right hook is terrible, still to this day. You got a fighter for that long and his right hook is still trash? You and I both know that if Roach never got Pacquiao, we wouldn't even know who he was. Manny hasn't really improved besides experience, since getting with Roach. His arsenal is almost exactly the same. Roach only teaches one style which is why you don't see him with a variety of fighters. His tech and methodology are limited.

You're from Massachusetts? Who are you because I got a lot of friends in the industry there. What do you mean you "prepped" Ray Leonard? Curious to learn more. If you don't want to say who you are, I underdstand. What gyms were you at/using?

I just hope you're not trying to defend Freddy because y'all are from the same state. That's not the case now is it Ray?

[Luilun]

Pac fans turning on Roach now.


How far would Pac have got without a top trainer like Roach you fools? Roach made Pacquiao.

If so than why was Fat Bou Boy always doing the focus pads 90% of the time . Occasionally Roach would put his body protector and focus pads a let Manny whale away

[Robbie Barrett]

If so than why was Fat Bou Boy always doing the focus pads 90% of the time . Occasionally Roach would put his body protector and focus pads a let Manny whale away

You mean when Roach's health declined. Who taught Pacquiao before that, who did moobs boy learn from?

[boliodogs]

If he is that bad why do boxers like De La Hoya and Toney hire him to train them? Why has he won so many trainer of the year awards ?

[evets]

so are you saying quiggy and freddy cant put their thinking brains together and pull of the upset tonight?

I really don't feel like Quigg has had the full attention of Roach. Think it was a bad move. He needed someone who didn't have divided attention and it's already showing with the missed weight.

[Luilun]

You mean when Roach's health declined. Who taught Pacquiao before that, who did moobs boy learn from?

He was trained by the same guy training Sergio Martinez thats why they had the same foot work