Rewatched Wilder vs Ortiz - Trash version of AJ v Klitschko

[KingTito]

Just rewatched it. It was a great fight and both guys showed a lot of heart.

But.. It was like the crackhead version of AJ vs Klitschko. Less class, less skill, less style and less substance.

There's no doubt that AJ will decapitate Wilder with absolute ease. He's made for someone like Joshua to bulldoze completely.

I agree. It was a very good fight, but some people are going overboard with it. I don’t think Wilder is easy for Joshua at all though. It’s a tough fight to call, though I agree that AJ should be the favorite.

[kafkod]

We don't know that although you are entitled to your opinion on that. Wlad struggled with a Corrie Sanders and was getting dropped earlier in his career. Could he have issues with a lefty in Ortiz? Quite possibly. maybe he walks all over Ortiz too. All we have so far are opinions. The most important fact is they never fought - as such we don't know.

One other thing - I believe Wlad was on PEDs too at a particular time, AJ too. I just think they were not caught so far but won't have been surprised one bit.

That wouldn't surprise me either, tbh.

But the fact is, Ortiz was popped for steroids twice before he signed to fight Wilder. He also mysteriously pulled out of his WBA interin defence vs Ustinov and left GBP without any explanation, despite being hot favourite, career high purse, and a guaranteeed shot at the full WBA title for the winner.

I can't help thinking that had something to do with him needing PEDs to perform to the level he showed against Jennings - and he couldn't have them for Wilder.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Is that why he invited Wilder to attend the AJ vs Parker fight and call out the winner?

Does that make sense to you?

It’s called building the fight long term, as I said he wants to milk his cash cow before risking it.
You do realise Wilder being in attendance means nothing in terms of actually negotiating the fight, Wilder was also at Wlad-AJ and here we are over a year later and the fight is no closer to happening.
Do you actually think Hearn will make AJ-Wilder this year?

[bigjavi973]

Just rewatched it. It was a great fight and both guys showed a lot of heart.

But.. It was like the crackhead version of AJ vs Klitschko. Less class, less skill, less style and less substance.

There's no doubt that AJ will decapitate Wilder with absolute ease. He's made for someone like Joshua to bulldoze completely.

bet $100 wilder wins by ko

[bojangles1987]

You're right about it being a poor man's AJ vs Wlad.

In regards to AJ easily beating Wilder, I hope you're right but I'm not so sure. They're like polar opposites; AJ has good technique with poor conditioning, Wilder has poor techniques with good conditioning.

More often than not these sort of fights end up as a war of nutrition where the less skilled, yet better conditioned fighter comes out on top.

Yeah, I can't shake the feeling that Joshua would win every second until he slowed and got hurt, then suddenly it's over and everyone's wondering WTF just happened.

[sotgoda]

That wouldn't surprise me either, tbh.

But the fact is, Ortiz was popped for steroids twice before he signed to fight Wilder. He also mysteriously pulled out of his WBA interin defence vs Ustinov and left GBP without any explanation, despite being hot favourite, career high purse, and a guaranteeed shot at the full WBA title for the winner.

I can't help thinking that had something to do with him needing PEDs to perform to the level he showed against Jennings - and he couldn't have them for Wilder.

You are correct. Ortiz was caught - those are facts. Not sure about this Ortiz left GBP. AJ avoided Ortiz like a plague - there are enough news articles to show that. Eddie signed Ortiz to keep him away from AJ and paid him step-aside money so that AJ can fight Wlad, with a promise to fight Ortiz next, which AJ did not because he suddenly remembered that IBF will call its mandatory. That is what happened - we all know it.

Then Ortiz tries to sue AJ and the issue is going on when Wilder pulls Ortiz's card and offers to fight him instead and "take out the trash". Then pathetic Eddie says this is the 1st live fight for Wilder when his own protege avoided Ortiz. Come on!

Even when the WBC caught Ortiz in November, Eddie was really happy because the WBA (which did not catch Ortiz) took him out of the ranking as the mandatory thus ONCE AGAIN sparing AJ from fighting Ortiz. Yet, WBC reinstated Ortiz and Wilder pulled his card again before knocking him out last weekend.

Common sense and a review of my summary shows that AJ avoided Ortiz. No one wanted to fight him. That's why even Peter Fury gave Wilder props.

[Madison Boxing]

the standard on show was pretty poor, as i keep saying i must have watched a different fight to everyone else. ortiz looked painfully slow and wilder looked like it was his first fight. beyond sloppy. at times it was like watching a fight outside the kebab shop, wide telegraphed punches and ugly exchanges.

[kafkod]

You are correct. Ortiz was caught - those are facts. Not sure about this Ortiz left GBP. AJ avoided Ortiz like a plague - there are enough news articles to show that. Eddie signed Ortiz to keep him away from AJ and paid him step-aside money so that AJ can fight Wlad, with a promise to fight Ortiz next, which AJ did not because he suddenly remembered that IBF will call its mandatory. That is what happened - we all know it.

Then Ortiz tries to sue AJ and the issue is going on when Wilder pulls Ortiz's card and offers to fight him instead and "take out the trash". Then pathetic Eddie says this is the 1st live fight for Wilder when his own protege avoided Ortiz. Come on!

Even when the WBC caught Ortiz in November, Eddie was really happy because the WBA (which did not catch Ortiz) took him out of the ranking as the mandatory thus ONCE AGAIN sparing AJ from fighting Ortiz. Yet, WBC reinstated Ortiz and Wilder pulled his card again before knocking him out last weekend.

Common sense and a review of my summary shows that AJ avoided Ortiz. No one wanted to fight him. That's why even Peter Fury gave Wilder props.

You have so many facts wrong there I don't know where to start trying to put you straight.

First .. When Ortiz was with GBP Oscar lined him up to fight Ustinoz for WBA interim title, winner to fight the winner of Fury/Wlad for the full WBA title. The contracts were drawn up, with Ortiz getting the loin's share of the purse .. I think it was around 400K, if I remember right.

Ustinov signed his contract, but Ortiz didn't, and shortly after that Oscar announced he was no longer with GBP. No explanation was ever given for why that happened.

Second .. AJ never paid any step aside money to Ortiz, and Ortiz never tried to sue him. Why would he need to pay step aside and what could Ortiz sue him for, when the fight was never ordered by the WBA?

The reason Hearn signed Ortiz was because he thought he was going to be fighting AJ and he wanted to build the fight up by matching Ortiz with a UK HW first, which is what he did.

What happened then was that the IBF ordered AJ to fight their mando, Pulev, and the WBA agreed to wait till that was done before ordering AJ/Ortiz. That's how the sanctioning organizations work. They will not order a unified champion to fight their mando if a mandatory challenge he has already been ordered by another organization.

With 10 days to go till AJ vs Pulev, Pulev pulled out and Takam took his place. If Ortiz hadn't decided to fight Wilder, and then got popped in a PED test, he would have still been AJ's mando.

Like I said - Ortiz was never asked to step aside because the WBA never ordered AJ to fight him.

[Szef]

bet $100 wilder wins by ko

I'll take that bet.

[sotgoda]

You have so many facts wrong there I don't know where to start trying to put you straight.

First .. When Ortiz was with GBP Oscar lined him up to fight Ustinoz for WBA interim title, winner to fight the winner of Fury/Wlad for the full WBA title. The contracts were drawn up, with Ortiz getting the loin's share of the purse .. I think it was around 400K, if I remember right.

Ustinov signed his contract, but Ortiz didn't, and shortly after that Oscar announced he was no longer with GBP. No explanation was ever given for why that happened.

Second .. AJ never paid any step aside money to Ortiz, and Ortiz never tried to sue him. Why would he need to pay step aside and what could Ortiz sue him for, when the fight was never ordered by the WBA?

The reason Hearn signed Ortiz was because he thought he was going to be fighting AJ and he wanted to build the fight up by matching Ortiz with a UK HW first, which is what he did.

What happened then was that the IBF ordered AJ to fight their mando, Pulev, and the WBA agreed to wait till that was done before ordering AJ/Ortiz. That's how the sanctioning organizations work. They will not order a unified champion to fight their mando if a mandatory challenge he has already been ordered by another organization.

With 10 days to go till AJ vs Pulev, Pulev pulled out and Takam took his place. If Ortiz hadn't decided to fight Wilder, and then got popped in a PED test, he would have still been AJ's mando.

Like I said - Ortiz was never asked to step aside because the WBA never ordered AJ to fight him.

Please, see the article below. There are other links and videos that show the same too. Not sure the back and forth will help. I stand by what I said.

https://www.boxingscene.com/luis-ortiz-threatens-legal-action-if-anthony-joshua-not-next--116404

It was discussed on here a lot. Eddie did pay step aside money to Ortiz. Eddie and WBA did lobby Ortiz to allow the 1st AJ-Wlad fight to go on. Not sure why you act like it is made up.