AJ Wouldn't Have Lasted Against Ortiz

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  • Tom Cruise
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    #31
    Originally posted by Dr Kewl Hair
    Agreed, but I'd be very surprised if AJ tried to take centre ring if they ever fight. I think he's very aware of his limitations in defence/chin.
    I think that is exactly what he will do, try to take the centre ring, pressure on the edge of Wilders range, look to make Wilder overextend and then get to work up close. Wilder is so explosive that it is definitely a dangerous tactic though.

    If it comes to exchanging AJ is going to wreck Wilder imo. Though many disagree with me.

    Hopefully we find out soon

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      #32
      Originally posted by TheUntouchable
      The best puncher ever? What? You're crazy. C R A Z Y

      Say what you want about Wilder, he hits harder than WK and AJ.
      Harder than AJ for sure. Maybe even harder than that version of Wlad.

      Yeah I stand by that statement.

      Theres a thread online of a sparring partner from the 90s who sparred the likes of Prime Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, old George Foreman, David Tua and many more. He said that Wlad would regularly switch his lights out and hurt him to the point he would forget whole rounds. He said that Wlad was the hardest puncher he fought. And thats a hell of a list to be comparing to. The guy 240lbs, fast as hell and had excellent technique. In terms of one shot power, he is the biggest (again, not best) puncher ever.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Tom Cruise
        I think that is exactly what he will do, try to take the centre ring, pressure on the edge of Wilders range, look to make Wilder overextend and then get to work up close. Wilder is so explosive that it is definitely a dangerous tactic though.

        If it comes to exchanging AJ is going to wreck Wilder imo. Though many disagree with me.

        Hopefully we find out soon
        AJ will be an idiot to start exchanging against Wilder. He wont survive. His best bet is to fake his jab and hope Wilder overextends so he can catch him. AJ cannot fight on the backfoot so he will come forward which will again be his downfall.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Tom Cruise
          I think that is exactly what he will do, try to take the centre ring, pressure on the edge of Wilders range, look to make Wilder overextend and then get to work up close. Wilder is so explosive that it is definitely a dangerous tactic though.

          If it comes to exchanging AJ is going to wreck Wilder imo. Though many disagree with me.

          Hopefully we find out soon
          They should see the Charles Martin fight on how AJ fights a lazy jabber (which Wilder) us.

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            #35
            Originally posted by TheUntouchable
            The best puncher ever? What? You're crazy. C R A Z Y

            Say what you want about Wilder, he hits harder than WK and AJ.
            Everyone with an eye knows that. Also, Wilder's chin is not as bad as it was made. Tony Bellew's coach said he saw Wilder sparring Haye and that the former took some licks from Haye and did not go down. Guess we saw the same in the Ortiz fight now.

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              #36
              AJ was in a worse state in rounds 5 and 6 against Wlad than Wilder.

              Wilder lacks offensive variety, Joshua is way more diverse in his punch arsenal and surely would have done more damage to Ortiz in the first 4 rounds.

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                #37
                Originally posted by sotgoda
                AJ will be an idiot to start exchanging against Wilder. He wont survive. His best bet is to fake his jab and hope Wilder overextends so he can catch him. AJ cannot fight on the backfoot so he will come forward which will again be his downfall.
                Wilder cant do the basics right in exchanges. Tight short shots > winging power punches. Defensive responsibility > Wild unorganised chaos.

                Keep ya damn hands up, Deontay!







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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Tom Cruise
                  Wilder cant do the basics right in exchanges. Tight short shots > winging power punches. Defensive responsibility > Wild unorganised chaos.

                  Keep ya damn hands up, Deontay!







                  look at your own 2nd gif of AJ-Breazeale. AJ's hand was down enough for Breazeale to get through. It is not always easy to keep your hands up when throwing punches. Wilder is not the only one guilty of that. AJ does that too.

                  Also, Wilder is unorganized when he thinks the opponent is hurt. He is usually more calculated and deliberate while looking for the opening. His IQ is a whole lot better than you give him credit for. You will see it when he drops AJ.

                  One more thing: It was not the right hand that messed Wilder up against Ortiz. It was the left hand he did not see coming which followed the right.
                  Last edited by sotgoda; 03-05-2018, 08:08 AM.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by sotgoda
                    look at your own 2nd fit of AJ-Breazeale. AJ's hand was down enough for Breazeale to get through. It is not always easy to keep your hands up when throwing punches. Wilder is not the only one guilty of that. AJ does that too.

                    Also, Wilder is unorganized when he thinks the opponent is hurt. He is usually more calculated and deliberate while looking for the opening. His IQ is a whole lot better than you give him credit for. You will see it when he drops AJ.

                    One more thing: It was not the right hand that messed Wilder up against Ortiz. It was the left hand he did not see coming which followed the right.
                    Wilder is unorganised all the time. He just goes bat **** mental when he has someone hurt. Yeah he can throw a nice punch here and there, and he sets up the right well with his lead, but dont ignore the fact he drops his hands during every punch. Dont ignore how he throws himself off balance.

                    Aj slipped Breazeales jab so i dont know what you are seeing there. And that right hook definitely hurt Wilder. Ortiz saw it and capitalised with a huge left that put him on ***** street. The point was more about the type of punch it was. Catch with one hand, shoot with the other. Opposite side counter. Very similar to how Joshua dropped Takam.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Tom Cruise
                      Wilder is unorganised all the time. He just goes bat **** mental when he has someone hurt. Yeah he can throw a nice punch here and there, and he sets up the right well with his lead, but dont ignore the fact he drops his hands during every punch. Dont ignore how he throws himself off balance.

                      Aj slipped Breazeales jab so i dont know what you are seeing there. And that right hook definitely hurt Wilder. Ortiz saw it and capitalised with a huge left that put him on ***** street. The point was more about the type of punch it was. Catch with one hand, shoot with the other. Opposite side counter. Very similar to how Joshua dropped Takam.
                      Breazeale only threw one punch. If he had followed with a right hand, AJ would have been in trouble. That's my point with your gif. AJ did not completely avoid the punch. Further, every boxer gets punched. It is part of the sport.

                      I don't think Wilder drops his hands during every punch. Now, is his left hand low most times? Yes, he needs to improve that. Lastly, Wilder is not Takam.

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