AJ Wouldn't Have Lasted Against Ortiz

[Sheldon312]

One big thing I think you are missing is AJs ability to shorten his punches and fight at short and mid range. Not like Wilder is a great ring general who can keep his opponents at bay, at times Ortiz was just stepping forward and winging his left and landing it. Duhuapas just stuck his high guard up and walked forward to get to the inside. If AJ gets into range he holds all the advantages imo. He is stronger, throws tighter, shorter punches. He can fight out of the clinch. He (since the Whyte fight at least), keeps his non punching hand in a defensively responsible position.

Wilder has atrocious defensive hand positions, someone like AJ who can throw 4-5 punch hook/uppercut combos to body and head like he did vs Wlad will be an absolute nightmare for him. Plus his ability to catch and shoot with his opposite hand is exactly what you need to catch Wilder, Ortiz used that move when he first hurt Wilder.

I absolutely dont count Wilder out at all here, but some are acting like all Joshua is is a stiff robot with no skill. The guy can fight. No question about it. Takam is no joke, let alone Wlad. Neither could deal with Joshuas attacks when he exploded.

People also forget that Wilder does not know how to faint with his jab to open up for the right. That is how Vlad was able to knock Joshua down

[Sadiqkingofko]

I said it Before, Ortiz would beat AJ and he nearly beat Wilder

[sotgoda]

I think Ortiz is a better boxer, has greater stamina, and equal power to Joshua. AJ is more effective at range and slightly faster.
The Ortiz of last night would have beaten Joshua. Wilder barely made it through that scare, no way would AJ's chin have endured that.

40+ seconds of Wilder getting hit. How does AJ survive that? He doesn't in my opinion. Wilder was eventually mostly out on his feet but was not dropped.

They say ortiz does not have power. Wlad could not drop Jennings but Ortiz destroyed him. Now, boxing cant be projected but what does it say about Ortiz's power?

how come AJ avoided Ortiz like a plague? Then you see some of them saying AJ would not have been in that position - how come he was in that position against Wlad?

[sotgoda]

People also forget that Wilder does not know how to faint with his jab to open up for the right. That is how Vlad was able to knock Joshua down

Wilder does not know how to faint with his jab? Are you trying to funny or deceitful here? AJ was being hit with 1-2 for 10 rounds by Wlad to start each round. He even admitted to it and it took him the 11th round to make adjustment.

AJ will be an easier fight for Wilder than Ortiz. Saturday was Wilder's biggest challenge. Remember this post!

[TheUntouchable]

AJ wouldn't have been in that position.

Ortiz doesn't have power of Wlad to drop him.

Ortiz sure had the power to drop and stop Jennings. Klitschko didn't have the power to do so.

[Tom Cruise]

Ortiz sure had the power to drop and stop Jennings. Klitschko didn't have the power to do so.

Whats one fight compared to a whole career?

Wlad is the biggest puncher ever imo. Not the best puncher, but the biggest. He caught Joshua flush with a punch he put everything into, his famous right hand. Even caught him with a leaping left on the way down for good measure. AJ dusted himself off, defended himself brilliantly, took more than a few bombs over the next couple rounds, then went on to knock Wlad out.

But nah, Ortiz, who has precisely one decent level ko, is comparable.

What a world we live in.

[Butt stuff]

Ortiz was a tough fight for Wilder than AJ will be imo.

Ortiz is far more experienced and had the ability to parry Wilders jab from the southpaw stance and take his right hand away for most part. He didn't allow him to get comfortable with the jab so he wasn't comfortable throwing the right hand as he didn't have his distance.
His positioning and defense is better and he has that counter punching ability with both hands. He's not a bog standard southpaw that just probes and prods to set up the left, he has an educated right hand.

AJ is more robotic and basic, there isn't a great deal to figure out he has no head movement which is a huge no against Wilder a guy who arches that right hand. He can't miss with it and doesn't have to worry about being made to pay like he did vs Ortiz who would look to counter over the top with the left.

He's a sitting duck for that right hand.

AJ is more polished than Wilder but he's made to order I feel. He just hasn't the craft or experience to neutralise that right hand and if you can't take that right hand away you're in the ****.
Wilder by K.O

100%. AJ can press forward and shoot some straight shots looking to end it early but he's scared of power. He was so timid and nervous against Klit to start, he happily gave the centre of the ring for most of the fight.

As soon as Wilder moves a bit and loops some shots, he's out of there.

[Tom Cruise]

100%. AJ can press forward and shoot some straight shots looking to end it early but he's scared of power. He was so timid and nervous against Klit to start, he happily gave the centre of the ring for most of the fight.

As soon as Wilder moves a bit and loops some shots, he's out of there.

Wilder isnt in the same stratosphere of ring general as Wlad is.

Very different.

[Butt stuff]

Wilder isnt in the same stratosphere of ring general as Wlad is.

Very different.

Agreed, but I'd be very surprised if AJ tried to take centre ring if they ever fight. I think he's very aware of his limitations in defence/chin.

[TheUntouchable]

Whats one fight compared to a whole career?

Wlad is the biggest puncher ever imo. Not the best puncher, but the biggest. He caught Joshua flush with a punch he put everything into, his famous right hand. Even caught him with a leaping left on the way down for good measure. AJ dusted himself off, defended himself brilliantly, took more than a few bombs over the next couple rounds, then went on to knock Wlad out.

But nah, Ortiz, who has precisely one decent level ko, is comparable.

What a world we live in.

The best puncher ever? What? You're crazy. C R A Z Y

Say what you want about Wilder, he hits harder than WK and AJ.