Comments Thread For: Wilder: Me Beating Ortiz Better Than Joshua Stopping Klitschko

[kushking]

No, anyone without bias could easily see that the more experienced and accomplished Klitschko was in far better shape as well as being a far better puncher than the guy with high blood pressure. Still, it's a thing with alot of fans from the USA, that they only back their fighters.Just don't pretend you're being objective.

You say" a lot of fans from the usa only back their fighters while being unobjective"....;yet in the same sentence your being as unobjective. Jennings gave klit all he could handle right before he went on a 2 yr layoff after getting owned by fury,so Jennings getting battered by ortiz proves the opposite of what you intended as it demonstrated why ortiz was in a far better state than washed up 41 yr old klit who the ref stopped early.

If your truly objective youd acknowledge the FACT that AJ has had multiple fights stopped for no reason basically INCLUDING vs wvlad when the whole world saw klit was likely to have won still.

& Ftr Wilder didn't get kd like AJ did by vlad & saved by the ref stopping the fight prematurely to avoid it going to cards. Hearn CLEARLY pays refs to keep AJs ko record intact. And im a fan of AJ that thinks he has a very good shot vs wilder btw.

[cameltoe]

Anybody with any sense and no bias will agree with Wilder here.


Klit had already been done and had just been 12-0'd by Fury. AJ going life and death with him says more about AJ than about anything else. Wilder would've have mauled that version of Wlad in dos rounds.

Riiight. Because Wilder’s win against Ortiz was really impressive....

He got saved by the bell and went life and death himself by old-ass Ortiz who’s never beaten anyone of any note.

Dude was out on his feet, had nothing left. He looked absolutely terrible the whole fight.

[super-x]

Wilders win last night cemented him as one of the all time greats. AJ beat a 41 year old & Deontay beat a 39 year old Ortiz who had a long list of nobodys on his record and never even challenged for a world title prior.... And lets not forget he was about 5 seconds away from being stopped got saved by the bell.

[Jkp]

This, Ortiz was the signature win that Wilder needed and he got it but let’s no go overboard. Ortiz will likely go down as “what might’ve been” type of guy where as Wlad proved his pedigree. Also I’m absolutely sure the Wlad that fought AJ would dominate Ortiz.

Come on get off the Hype train, Wlads pedigree from 10 years ago doesnt mean much, when hes 40+ years old and beaten with no titles.

[Jkp]

Absolutely deluded.what's Ortiz best win compared to klitschko? Whats he actually done that's so great? Klitschko ran the damn division for about 10 years (or it felt like it) and if you wanna talk about age, compare what he looked like to what Ortiz looked like.

Lol - looks dont win a boxing fight, or make a good boxer. Typical AJ fanboy comment.

Klithcko use to run the division, correct, but not when Joshua cherry picked him, by that time he was old and beaten with no titles. So your comments are just rubbish to create hype.

[cameltoe]

First of all you called me ******, not what I said. However, I find your replies more ****** (and thus self-explanatory in regard to the sender) than what I wrote in the first place, a matter of opinions as always.

But, limiting myself to sheer facts:

Joshua was knocked down and almost out by an aged Klitschko, who was way past his prime and had been ridiculed by Tyson Fury (who I rate next to nil in the great scheme of heavyweight things). He came back and won, of course.

Wilder was almost knocked out by a dangerous fighter who is old just in age but is still able to beat younger fighters. Wilder weathered the storm and won, too.

Comparing the two wins - I mean the single fights, not the careers - I see Wilder's more significant than Joshua's. Now please don't tell me the usual Klitschko story (long dominant reign, etc.). He was little more than a statue in his last fights. This notwithstanding, he struck Joshua in the way everybody saw.

Though - as I said - I like Joshua more than Wilder, including the outside-the-ring antics, I have an inkling that had Joshua been cornered by Ortiz as Wilder was last night, he may not have escaped alive.

Insane bias to your post here dude.

Ok forget legacy. You really think Wlad looked like a statue in that fight? If so conversation ends here, because you didn’t watch it, plain and simple. Wlad showed up in shape and fought his heart out. It was the best version of Wlad we’d seen in recent years.

Second, Wlad was hardly destroyed by Fury. More flummoxed. He looked confused and mentally beat. He didn’t look old.

Third- Ortiz is a completely unproven force at heavyweight. He’s never beaten anyone of any note, so we can’t say really how good a fighter he is. He looked slick, sure. But he’d never fought an elite fighter.

Fourth- Ortiz is old too. You forget this that easy? 38 years old and rumored to be over 40. Let’s not pretend Wilder beat some *prime* fighter.

Fifth- Ortiz had Wilder out on his feet *way worse* that AJ was ever in trouble against Wlad. Yeah, it looked as though Wlad might be able to close the show, but last night it looked like the ref actually should have stopped it. Wilder was very fortunate.

Sixth- just look at the size and shape of the guys. Wlad came in to this fight in impeccable shape. Ortiz looked like butterbean.

I get Wilder has his fans and that’s cute. But trying to act like beating Ortiz is superior to beating Wlad is just nuthugging, plain and simple. Especially given the fact he looked *terrible* doing so and nearly died in there.

[puroylan]

I can see Wilder stopping AJ n later rounds if AJ fails to stop Wilder in early rounds. Wilder's got chin! AJ is more technical but he will have to boost his stamina. Wilder can go 20 rounds. He's like a pink bunny.

[cameltoe]

Lol - looks dont win a boxing fight, or make a good boxer. Typical AJ fanboy comment.

Klithcko use to run the division, correct, but not when Joshua cherry picked him, by that time he was old and beaten with no titles. So your comments are just rubbish to create hype.

Really. Wlad didn’t fight like that though did he?

So tell us what’s so great about Ortiz again?

His blood pressure? Certainly not his record.

He unbeaten doe!!

[Tatabanya]

Insane bias to your post here dude.

Ok forget legacy. You really think Wlad looked like a statue in that fight? If so conversation ends here, because you didn’t watch it, plain and simple. Wlad showed up in shape and fought his heart out. It was the best version of Wlad we’d seen in recent years.

Second, Wlad was hardly destroyed by Fury. More flummoxed. He looked confused and mentally beat. He didn’t look old.

Third- Ortiz is a completely unproven force at heavyweight. He’s never beaten anyone of any note, so we can’t say really how good a fighter he is. He looked slick, sure. But he’d never fought an elite fighter.

Fourth- Ortiz is old too. You forget this that easy? 38 years old and rumored to be over 40. Let’s not pretend Wilder beat some *prime* fighter.

Fifth- Ortiz had Wilder out on his feet *way worse* that AJ was ever in trouble against Wlad. Yeah, it looked as though Wlad might be able to close the show, but last night it looked like the ref actually should have stopped it. Wilder was very fortunate.

Sixth- just look at the size and shape of the guys. Wlad came in to this fight in impeccable shape. Ortiz looked like butterbean.

I get Wilder has his fans and that’s cute. But trying to act like beating Ortiz is superior to beating Wlad is just nuthugging, plain and simple. Especially given the fact he looked *terrible* doing so and nearly died in there.

You have some points, too long now to reply to everything. But - once and for all - I am a neutral observer, not a Wilder (or Joshua) fan, so I express unbiased opinions.

In regard to Klitschko being a statue, I was referring more to the Fury fight (and many ones that preceded that one). Klitschko WAS robotical throughout his career; the fact that he summoned up a last hurrah against Joshua doesn't change that.

But I respect your opinions, mate, as I do with everybody who wants to talk/discuss without calling people with names.

[Mindgames]

You say" a lot of fans from the usa only back their fighters while being unobjective"....;yet in the same sentence your being as unobjective. Jennings gave klit all he could handle right before he went on a 2 yr layoff after getting owned by fury,so Jennings getting battered by ortiz proves the opposite of what you intended as it demonstrated why ortiz was in a far better state than washed up 41 yr old klit who the ref stopped early.

If your truly objective youd acknowledge the FACT that AJ has had multiple fights stopped for no reason basically INCLUDING vs wvlad when the whole world saw klit was likely to have won still.

& Ftr Wilder didn't get kd like AJ did by vlad & saved by the ref stopping the fight prematurely to avoid it going to cards. Hearn CLEARLY pays refs to keep AJs ko record intact. And im a fan of AJ that thinks he has a very good shot vs wilder btw.

The fact that Jennings went 12 with Wlad and 7 with Ortiz isn't a genuine comparison as to who the better fighter is. For example, Mike Tyson crushed Alex Stewart in one, Holyfield had life and death with him but we know who the better man turned out to be. Also, don't forget the fact that two years past since Ortiz beating Jennings. Two years in which he failed a drug test, and he laboured awfully against Malik Scott and Dave Allen, in ways that no Wlad that ever existed would have. Ortiz was either cheating in earlier fights or had genuine health problems, whichever way you look at it, he was far from in prime cardio shape. Don't tell me Wlad wasn't the way he moved against Joshua. Its a rare thing for a 17 stone man to be able to keep moving like he did against AJ. No, Ortiz was in no way the better opponent. He was shorter, less experienced, had less stamina, a weaker punch and a far weaker resume. As for what you say about AJ, Hearn and premature stoppages,ill give you Takam. But Wlad was done, and he didn't complain. Never heard anyone credibly claim that was a controversial one.