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  • koolkc107
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    #21
    Originally posted by Robbie Barrett
    1 punch, lights out i'm talking about. Actual real knockouts where the opponent is sleeping.
    OK, you are the one making the assertion.

    You prove it.

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    • Mr Objecitivity
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      #22
      Originally posted by koolkc107
      Ortiz hits harder than Wlad. Luis nailed Deontay with multiple flush shots. Any other heavyweight probably goes down; most get stopped.

      Wlad, on the other hand, never landed anything else of significance on AJ the rest of the round, tho not for lack of trying.

      Wilder showed an extraordinary chin against a guy who hits as hard as AJ does.

      He is winning fights a lot like Marciano did back in the day, maximizing his physical gifts to offset the technical superiority of his opponents.
      No contest!

      - Wladimir Klitschko has KO'ed more previously UN-KO'ed opponents than Deontay Wilder.

      - Wladimir Klitschko has KO'ed more previously unbeaten opponents than Deontay Wilder.

      - Wladimir Klitschko has KO'ed more opponents who were never KO'ed before or after, since getting KO'ed by Wladimir Klitschko.

      - Wladimir Klitschko has KO'ed more opponents ranked in the top 10.


      The vast majority of Deontay Wilder's knockouts have been against opponents who were previously KO'ed with suspect chins or opponents like Luis Ortiz who was old, not in the appropriate physical condition and was physically ill with high blood pressure.

      Even Anthony Joshua has more impressive knockout feats in LESS fights than Deontay Wilder.

      Deontay Wilder has only KO'ed Luis Ortiz who had a decent enough chin. Otherwise, his knockout record doesn't suggest he hits quite as hard as Wladimir Klitschko.

      Wladimir Klitschko doesn't even fully commit to most of his punches but still punches at least just as hard, if not harder. If Wlad decided to windmill like Wilder, very few opponents will see the 2nd round.

      This isn't even a contest!

      Anthony Joshua > Deontay Wilder in terms of punching power. Never mind Wladimir Klitschko.

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      • Robbie Barrett
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        #23
        Originally posted by koolkc107
        OK, you are the one making the assertion.

        You prove it.
        Here you go. Check out how many fall to the left hook too. Dynamite in both hands. Not a 1 punch guy like Wilder.

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          #24
          Originally posted by Mr Objecitivity

          Anthony Joshua > Deontay Wilder in terms of punching power. Never mind Wladimir Klitschko.

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            #25
            Originally posted by Robbie Barrett
            Here you go. Check out how many fall to the left hook too. Dynamite in both hands. Not a 1 punch guy like Wilder.
            Again, I explained a few posts ago why something like this is bullshyt because I knew a superficial thinker like yourself would think this was some kind of proof.

            How about you give me a compilation of Wlad's early KOs instead?

            How many guys has Wlad taken out within 3 rounds?

            See, something like that takes cumulative damage and stamina deficits out of the equation.

            Good Luck.

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              #26
              Originally posted by koolkc107
              His name?

              Rocky Marciano.

              Yes, the styles are completely different.

              Yes, physically they are very different.

              However, the things they share make them more alike than one might think:

              1) Great stamina
              2) Great chin
              3) Otherwordly power

              This is how both men beat technically superior opponents.
              I was just about to say this. Marciano was a disaster from a technical standpoint but he was a brutal KO artist who knocked your arse out..

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                #27
                Originally posted by BWC
                I was just about to say this. Marciano was a disaster from a technical standpoint but he was a brutal KO artist who knocked your arse out..
                We love a sport where being able to KTFO of a guy is just as important as being able to dance around him for 12 rounds and pile up points.

                Greatness can be measured either way.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by koolkc107
                  Again, I explained a few posts ago why something like this is bullshyt because I knew a superficial thinker like yourself would think this was some kind of proof.

                  How about you give me a compilation of Wlad's early KOs instead?

                  How many guys has Wlad taken out within 3 rounds?

                  See, something like that takes cumulative damage and stamina deficits out of the equation.

                  Good Luck.
                  But we all know Wlad takes time to feel out his opponents before he starts throwing power punches. He went rounds without throwing 1 against Ibragimov. So no, who knocked out the most in 3 rounds proves nothing.

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                  • Mr Objecitivity
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Robbie Barrett
                    Wlad is probably the hardest hitting HW in history. He had 1 punch KO power in both hands. Sit down you clown.
                    Even prime David Haye probably hits just as hard as Deontay Wilder in all honesty!

                    If we're going by a single knockout performance. Then David Haye's knockout over Dereck Chisora is more impressive than any opponent Deontay Wilder has knocked out.

                    Unlike the guys that Deontay Wilder has been knocking out. Including Luis Ortiz. Dereck Chisora has actually been in the ring with other power punchers. Including Vitali Klitschko, Tyson Fury and Dillian Whyte. Yet, only David Haye was ever able to knock Chisora out cleanly.

                    Meanwhile, the vast majority of Wilder's opponents have either been KO'ed before and have a suspect chin. Or they have been KO'ed before and after multiple times. Or they've never been in the ring against other power punchers and their chins haven't been tested (like Chisora's).

                    If Wilder was around in 2011 like he is right now. Wladimir Klitschko would've made Wilder irrelevant by now by beating him more brutally via knock out than how he did against David Haye.

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                    • koolkc107
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Mr Objecitivity
                      Even prime David Haye probably hits just as hard as Deontay Wilder in all honesty!
                      I just gave you a guy who has been in the ring with both.

                      Not sparring (although there is video of a guy who sparred all three- Wilder, Ortiz, and Joshua- who says the same, that Wilder hits the hardest) but a real fight.

                      Don't know what more proof you need.

                      Good try tho...

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