Comments Thread For: Lomachenko vs. Linares: Arum Still Hopes To Get Fight Done

[Boxing42]

Before Arum tried so hard to make Loma-Linares, many of y'all were saying you'd rather see Loma-Beltran because "Loma has been ducking pressure fighters since Salido, and Beltran is a 20 pound bigger version of Salido with way more power, all wrong for Loma." Now y'all are calling it an easy belt. Ray Beltran has said in many interviews he is bigger than Manny Pacquiao, who has beaten top welterweights. Lomachenko is a natural featherweight. NOTHING will come easy for Loma at 135. I'd obviously prefer the Linares fight, but I wish fans would stop contradicting themselves. As for Beltran-Moses, look Moses put up a hell of a fight. He still lost, legitimately, because he faded late and Beltran came on strong. Beltran showed he has great stamina to keep coming and coming even if he gets all cut up and hurt. Just like Salido. It's a very hard style for Lomachenko. The only success Moses had was because he had excellent speed, just like Lomachenko, but Moses is also naturally much bigger than Lomachenko.

So hopefully we get Loma-Linares, but both Linares and Beltran are way bigger than Loma, and while Linares is more talented than Beltran, Beltran has more of a pressure style where he can exert that size advantage, so either way, we should be in for a nice risky matchup for Loma's first fight at 135. As boxing fans we all need to stop criticizing boxers like Loma who are constantly trying to fight the best available opponent in their weight class, and if no one will fight them in their weight class, they fight the best available in the next weight class up, because those are the boxers who make the sport interesting and give fans fights they want to see. Boxers like Stevenson who never fight anyone, or guys like that, are the ones who never give us fights we want, and who as a result are ruining the sport.

It's very simple. Any boxing fan who wants the sport to get better, instead of worse, should support boxers who make good fights regularly, and criticize boxers who don't. Lomachenko is one of the good ones. As for Arum, he's pulled bull**** in the past, but when he has an elite boxer like Pacquiao or Loma, he has made lots of risky fights in short periods of time. He has a mandate from Lomachenko to always give him tough opponents when available, and so far in only 11 fights, Arum has done that more regularly than pretty much any other boxer/promoter combo in the sport, with Lomachenko specifically. So, I have no reason to think that Arum doesn't want to make Loma-Linares.

TL;dr stop being a fanboy

[factsarenice]

Please take the time to read this

Before Arum tried so hard to make Loma-Linares, many of y'all were saying you'd rather see Loma-Beltran because "Loma has been ducking pressure fighters since Salido, and Beltran is a 20 pound bigger version of Salido with way more power, all wrong for Loma." Now y'all are calling it an easy belt. Ray Beltran has said in many interviews he is bigger than Manny Pacquiao, who has beaten top welterweights. Lomachenko is a natural featherweight. NOTHING will come easy for Loma at 135. I'd obviously prefer the Linares fight, but I wish fans would stop contradicting themselves. As for Beltran-Moses, look Moses put up a hell of a fight. He still lost, legitimately, because he faded late and Beltran came on strong. Beltran showed he has great stamina to keep coming and coming even if he gets all cut up and hurt. Just like Salido. It's a very hard style for Lomachenko. The only success Moses had was because he had excellent speed, just like Lomachenko, but Moses is also naturally much bigger than Lomachenko.

So hopefully we get Loma-Linares, but both Linares and Beltran are way bigger than Loma, and while Linares is more talented than Beltran, Beltran has more of a pressure style where he can exert that size advantage, so either way, we should be in for a nice risky matchup for Loma's first fight at 135. As boxing fans we all need to stop criticizing boxers like Loma who are constantly trying to fight the best available opponent in their weight class, and if no one will fight them in their weight class, they fight the best available in the next weight class up, because those are the boxers who make the sport interesting and give fans fights they want to see. Boxers like Stevenson who never fight anyone, or guys like that, are the ones who never give us fights we want, and who as a result are ruining the sport.

It's very simple. Any boxing fan who wants the sport to get better, instead of worse, should support boxers who make good fights regularly, and criticize boxers who don't. Lomachenko is one of the good ones. As for Arum, he's pulled bull**** in the past, but when he has an elite boxer like Pacquiao or Loma, he has made lots of risky fights in short periods of time. He has a mandate from Lomachenko to always give him tough opponents when available, and so far in only 11 fights, Arum has done that more regularly than pretty much any other boxer/promoter combo in the sport, with Lomachenko specifically. So, I have no reason to think that Arum doesn't want to make Loma-Linares.

Very well thought out and written.

[factsarenice]

TL;dr stop being a fanboy

I disagree, he spent a good amount of time and effort to make his case and, IMO, he made it.

To simply dismiss his points with a "you are a fanboy" isn't fair or right.

[BM dnobagaV]

Loma-Beltran is an enormous waste of time. Legitimately print money by picking Vasy to win

Why did we never get the Corrales, Berlecht, or Flanagan fights?

[bluebeam]

Your talking about sh cards then are defending what is a CLEAR cherrypick from arum so loma wins yet another paper wbo trinket against another no hoper whos coming off a rightful loss but arum owns the WBO so hes supposedly "champ"

Id rather watch ali vs smith or linares vs tbd than to watch loma crucify that no hoper beltron.

if linares vs loma doesnt happen on May 12 then I most likely won't be watching boxing that night because im not interested in seeing linares fight another gesta level opponent like he has been doing his whole career. and i dont wanna see ali vs smith because neither guy is willing to fight charlo, lara, or hurd so they are irrelevant in the division to me. and I won't be watching loma vs beltran because I don't think beltran can win. and I don't give a fu#k about the ggg vs canelo replay because I will see that may 5.

so my may 12 needs lomachencko vs linares. GBP needs to let there fighter finally get a big fight. Loma career is trending up with or without linares. linares needs this fight more than loma does and we both know that. that is why i say oscar should budge.

unless oscar can guarantee linares that mikey is next, he gotta let his fighter go try to take out lomachenko. oscar works for linares. linares dont work for oscar

[landotter]

So he gets some more eyes to watch him but then what??? GB is his promotor and HBO is who puts on his fights. Now you just pissed off HBO! Good luck having them pay up to watch you fight. You just burnt your bridge.... What then???

Okay... you really are a fatalist, ain't ya? Have you seen the HBO stable of fighters lately? It is about ratings and return for HBO, and almost from when they lost Mayweather on they lost the ability to produce big boxing stars simply because the are HBO. Both Showtime and ESPN are positioned better for boxing content and HBO is left trying to maximize what is left.

If Linares upsets Loma, he gets to write his own ticket. If he provides fireworks in a loss, he becomes a respected name that HBO will still happily pay for. Only if he quits on his stool after giving no effort (hi there, Mr. Rigondeaux) or turns his back and walks away completely humiliated (how are you today, Mr. Walters) does he end up a complete loser in a scenario where he boxes Lomachenko in primetime on ESPN. HBO is not the only game in town, is not the biggest, and currently can be argued is a distant third in devotion to boxing right now.

Now, if HBO is offering the same money for any opponent, that would show how much they value Linares and I would say forget Loma and fight on HBO then. But if the money they are offering is only if he fights Loma on HBO and substantially less for another opponent, there is something to be said for betting on yourself. Go fight Loma.

[landotter]

Loma-Beltran is an enormous waste of time. Legitimately print money by picking Vasy to win

Why did we never get the Corrales, Berlecht, or Flanagan fights?

I would like to think we will. My observation is Lomachenko could care less who he fights, just wants to stay active. If it is a great opponent or a poor one, he seems to totally trust his team. ESPN is not paying all that cash to Top Rank for one of the 2 biggest stars in that stable to fight scrubs all the time. I feel these fights will happen as ESPN needs content during Baseball/tennis season of summer when combat sports does not have to compete with football and b-ball for air time.

I am a boxing fan, though. My whole purpose in life is to be disappointed by matches that should have been....

[landotter]

so my may 12 needs lomachencko vs linares. GBP needs to let there fighter finally get a big fight. Loma career is trending up with or without linares. linares needs this fight more than loma does and we both know that. that is why i say oscar should budge.

unless oscar can guarantee linares that mikey is next, he gotta let his fighter go try to take out lomachenko. oscar works for linares. linares dont work for oscar

Applauding. Both these statements are so freaking true.

[Outworn]

Promoters, ESPN working toward compromise for Lomachenko-Linares fight on May 12

https://sports.yahoo.com/golden-boy-...-sh&soc_trk=tw

Basically they're hoping ESPN can bump up the timing for Lomachenko-Linares so they will not clash with the Canelo-GGG 2 replay and Golden Boy card on HBO and that it can still be on May 12. Hopefully it will come to fruition. :ROCK: