on a 1-5 scale...how good of an opponent is current ortiz?

[Irony123]

Solid challange. If the best in the division is considered a 5 then Ortiz is a solid 4 or maybe even a 5 in a disguise but we will find out soon enough

[BLASTER1]

Ortiz is better than anyone drug cheat Joshua has fought.....

Ha lol. Ortiz is not a drug cheat????

[Cutthroat]

5. Ortiz is no ordinary HW, he possess one of the longest reaches in HW history at 84", it's longer than Wilder's, AJ's, and rivals 6'9 Fury's 85" wingspan.

Ortiz is a boxer puncher, high IQ, not just a brawler. Built like a tank and has serious KO power. He'd give any HW in history trouble, guys like him are rare.

[Cutthroat]

You have to ask yourself, who else in boxing would you put money on over Ortiz?

A 6'4 240lb brick shyt house with an 84" reach, 80% KO ratio, extensive amateur pedigree, and blasts out his opponents with relative ease.

I can only see AJ and Fury MAYBE beating Ortiz. He'd completely overwhelm a cruiser or smaller fighter.

[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

hes a 3.88999% in this current HW landscape.

[juggernaut666]

There is NO WAY he takes a dive.There is NO amount of money to pay him for what he WOULD be getting.Dives do not take place at this level as any weird betting would stop the books.And like I said the money he would make for winning is millions and millions.That sh ite only happens in low level Midwest fights and even there its been going out.You wanna know one way to make headlines and get banned.No need commissions in these state will except anyone.Trust me that sh ite don't take place very often at all and NEVER in big money fights its really impossible.

I hope so ..we ALL know one happened already and it WAS a big fight ,his first step up .

I also have first hand experience of someone telling me that they were paid to take a dive for Wilder ,and it was bc (MY friend was known as a dangerous puncher and Wilder had been down with less punchers) .

If you think its not possible that it can't take place then you haven't been watching boxing long enough . Everybody wins , EVERYBODY if Wilder does .


Like i said we'll ALL see if its legit or not a few days .

[john l]

I hope so ..we ALL know one happened already and it WAS a big fight ,his first step up .

I also have first hand experience of someone telling me that they were paid to take a dive for Wilder ,and it was bc (MY friend was known as a dangerous puncher and Wilder had been down with less punchers) .

If you think its not possible that it can't take place then you haven't been watching boxing long enough . Everybody wins , EVERYBODY if Wilder does .


Like i said we'll ALL see if its legit or not a few days .

No it did not happen.You can have all the guys tell you whatever there is NO WAY enough money to do it.And these Sportbooks are FAR from dumb ANY FUNNY BETTING and they would shut it down.This is not the 20s or even 50s.And no everyone don't win because the money they make if they do win cant be made up with the books and trust me ive been around a long time.

[joseph5620]

I think people are wayyyyyyy overrating Ortiz BUT the thing is there are rankings that got Ortiz higher than Wilder as we speak.

And plenty of mfers are saying Ortiz wins. And however you cut it most cats consider Ortiz a top 5 guy. Anytime a non-#1 guy fights a top 5 guy I think you gotta give the guy solid props for his opponent selection so I'd say it has to be a 4 & probably should be a 4.5 or 5.

I fully expect Wilder to be not sh^t post this fight either way cuz he'll have lost to Ortiz or he'll have beaten a "bum" doe cuz you know how petty & ****** boxing fans are.

That sums up the truth perfectly.

[juggernaut666]

No it did not happen.You can have all the guys tell you whatever there is NO WAY enough money to do it.And these Sportbooks are FAR from dumb ANY FUNNY BETTING and they would shut it down.This is not the 20s or even 50s.And no everyone don't win because the money they make if they do win cant be made up with the books and trust me ive been around a long time.

Reality > Fantasy

[john l]

Reality > Fantasy

You know about a fight that's been fixed ok thats hear about it.Where you make the money?What person/entity took your bets. you youself said you heard "rumors" I believe from a friend?