Comments Thread For: Arum: Crawford-Horn/Pacquiao-Alvarado Headed to Vegas, Not MSG

[Scipio2009]

wtf? There is only a may 12 date. There isn't a May 19 date. What are u talking about? They are going to hold a replay from 4/14 from Crawford for two weeks to replay or four weeks? Get informed. Top Rank as April 14 and 28 and May 12. There aren't any back to back dates. SMH you are clueless

The live PPV won't be on ESPN. Not sure why that is so hard to understand.

[Scipio2009]

why would you doubt he got 100 million? Remember a lot of it gets paid on the back end of the ppv numbers and also remember a lot gets paid to MP Promotions for tax purposes. I am not sure you are educated on that. There are a lot more write offs in a promotional company than an individual fighter.

Because Pacquiao brought a caravan of people with him for his camp (have seen numbers as high as 300 folks living off the teet), and the actual amount of money that went to his side of the table, with Arum taking what he takes, doesn't work out.

The fight did, depending on who you believe, $470m+ on PPV (pay the distributors and pay Showtime/HBO, and you're looking at $250m for the promoters, with Mayweather Promotions taking 60% and Top Rank taking 40% [basically $100m, which Top Rank has to then split with Pacquiao, of which Arum takes 35%-30% off the top]). The listed gate was over $70m (no idea how folks did with the resellers), but count that for another $20m into the Top Rank pot (less what Pacquiao put up to get his entourage in).

Add in all of the other side revenues and Top Rank likely got, once everyone else was paid, $150m to split between Arum and Pacquiao.

Pacquiao's share of the take, less the costs of having all those folks in LA with him (flying everyone in, room/board, other expenses, getting everyone to Vegas, covering the tickets, etc), likely covered by Arum.

For Pacquiao to have seen $100m, he would've needed to have kept 67% of the total money AFTER paying back all of that advanced money which is quite unlikely.

The math is different on Floyd's side because all of the money actually ran through Mayweather Promotions; 60% of the PPV, basically the $25m in face value tickets (of which Mayweather Promotions likely directly shopped to ticket brokers), the event sponsors, the international TV, etc.

Mayweather Promotions likely ended up touching $350m-$400m after paying everyone else, from where they expensed the payment to Haymon, expensed the payment to Ellerbe for doing the leg work, covered Floyd's camp expenses, and expensed the "work of the team of supporters", before then paying Floyd.

How much Floyd ended up getting is still unknown, but there's no doubt in my mind that he ended up with $200m+ once everything was counted, because the structure Haymon helped put in place maximizes his take.

[killakali]

It's one ESPN date; the re-air of Pacquiao-Alvarado and the live run of Horn-Crawford.

U don’t seem to get it. They would need TWO dates. One for Pac-Alvarado and one for Horn-Crawford. Their is only ONE ppv date.4/14 and for live ESPN they have 4/28 and 5/12. Those weeks aren’t back to back. What are they going to save the ppv replay for two weeks smh

[killakali]

The live PPV won't be on ESPN. Not sure why that is so hard to understand.

You are clueless. The ESPN ppv date is 4/14. The ESPN dates are 5/12 4/28. They don’t have a espn ppv date on 4/7 4/21 or 5/5. Can u understand that?

[killakali]

Because Pacquiao brought a caravan of people with him for his camp (have seen numbers as high as 300 folks living off the teet), and the actual amount of money that went to his side of the table, with Arum taking what he takes, doesn't work out.

The fight did, depending on who you believe, $470m+ on PPV (pay the distributors and pay Showtime/HBO, and you're looking at $250m for the promoters, with Mayweather Promotions taking 60% and Top Rank taking 40% [basically $100m, which Top Rank has to then split with Pacquiao, of which Arum takes 35%-30% off the top]). The listed gate was over $70m (no idea how folks did with the resellers), but count that for another $20m into the Top Rank pot (less what Pacquiao put up to get his entourage in).

Add in all of the other side revenues and Top Rank likely got, once everyone else was paid, $150m to split between Arum and Pacquiao.

Pacquiao's share of the take, less the costs of having all those folks in LA with him (flying everyone in, room/board, other expenses, getting everyone to Vegas, covering the tickets, etc), likely covered by Arum.

For Pacquiao to have seen $100m, he would've needed to have kept 67% of the total money AFTER paying back all of that advanced money which is quite unlikely.

The math is different on Floyd's side because all of the money actually ran through Mayweather Promotions; 60% of the PPV, basically the $25m in face value tickets (of which Mayweather Promotions likely directly shopped to ticket brokers), the event sponsors, the international TV, etc.

Mayweather Promotions likely ended up touching $350m-$400m after paying everyone else, from where they expensed the payment to Haymon, expensed the payment to Ellerbe for doing the leg work, covered Floyd's camp expenses, and expensed the "work of the team of supporters", before then paying Floyd.

How much Floyd ended up getting is still unknown, but there's no doubt in my mind that he ended up with $200m+ once everything was counted, because the structure Haymon helped put in place maximizes his take.

Im sure floyd took over 200mil counting what he runs through Mayweather promo.

Your math is bad and u caught your self in one lie. It was 450mil to Mayweather promo and 150 to Top Rank and Manny. Stop with that lie. That’s a 75-25 split. It was 60-40 split so u know it was more like 375 for Mayweather promo and 225 for TR/Manny. Stop lying about facts. Manny also runs most of his purse through MP promotions to minimize his expenses.

As far as his entourage Manny supports a lot of people and gives a lot to the poor and as I stared built over 100 homes. He doesn’t save his money. But he owns several properties in The Phillipines And has usa properties too. But he did make over $100 million but I’m sure he’s gone through most of it.

[Scipio2009]

U don’t seem to get it. They would need TWO dates. One for Pac-Alvarado and one for Horn-Crawford. Their is only ONE ppv date.4/14 and for live ESPN they have 4/28 and 5/12. Those weeks aren’t back to back. What are they going to save the ppv replay for two weeks smh

Lol. One date is a Top Rank PPV, with the other being a regular ESPN date.

You can't be this dumb

[Scipio2009]

Im sure floyd took over 200mil counting what he runs through Mayweather promo.

Your math is bad and u caught your self in one lie. It was 450mil to Mayweather promo and 150 to Top Rank and Manny. Stop with that lie. That’s a 75-25 split. It was 60-40 split so u know it was more like 375 for Mayweather promo and 225 for TR/Manny. Stop lying about facts. Manny also runs most of his purse through MP promotions to minimize his expenses.

As far as his entourage Manny supports a lot of people and gives a lot to the poor and as I stared built over 100 homes. He doesn’t save his money. But he owns several properties in The Phillipines And has usa properties too. But he did make over $100 million but I’m sure he’s gone through most of it.

Half of the PPV goes to the distributors, MGM Resorts takes their share of of the live gate, Sky Sports bought the rights to the fight for a fee that had nothing to do with Box Office, and The Money Team and other retailers actually sold the merch.

The event may have generated $600m+, but you're an utter idiot if you actually think the promoters of the fight actually got $600m.

Mayweather Promotions didn't have to give away 300 prime tickets to the fight for Floyd's entourage; Top Rank did. Floyd didn't have to pay back any fight advance; Pacquiao likely did. And, most importantly, Floyd doesn't have some outside party taking a third of his pot likely Pacquiao does.

The fact that you readily acknowledge that Pacquiao's already burned through whatever money that he got for the Mayweather fight is hilarious.

That tax bill is still hanging over his head, and it's likely more than all the property he owns in the PI; easily eight years too late, but good that he's finally talking about paying the bill.

[killakali]

Lol. One date is a Top Rank PPV, with the other being a regular ESPN date.

You can't be this dumb

i just gave u the dates they have Moron. For ppv and live Espn. U act like they can and will put a ppv on just any date. Which they won’t. Get a clue.

[killakali]

Half of the PPV goes to the distributors, MGM Resorts takes their share of of the live gate, Sky Sports bought the rights to the fight for a fee that had nothing to do with Box Office, and The Money Team and other retailers actually sold the merch.

The event may have generated $600m+, but you're an utter idiot if you actually think the promoters of the fight actually got $600m.

Mayweather Promotions didn't have to give away 300 prime tickets to the fight for Floyd's entourage; Top Rank did. Floyd didn't have to pay back any fight advance; Pacquiao likely did. And, most importantly, Floyd doesn't have some outside party taking a third of his pot likely Pacquiao does.

The fact that you readily acknowledge that Pacquiao's already burned through whatever money that he got for the Mayweather fight is hilarious.

That tax bill is still hanging over his head, and it's likely more than all the property he owns in the PI; easily eight years too late, but good that he's finally talking about paying the bill.

its funny u bring up a tax bill. When will floyd be back in the ring (or octagon) to finish paying off his McGregor taxes looolol.

U say when Manny pays back his advances i bet Broner is fighting Omar for free. But mannys advances have nothing to do with what he earned. It doesn’t make how much he earned for the fight less. He just took part of it up front. It’s a 60-40 split no matter how u slide it.

And don’t think floyd isn’t buying a lot of seats for his crew. He bought way more than 300 for the Berto, Maidana and guerrero fights. For most of his fights he spends a couple million on tickets. So does Manny. It’s standard

[Scipio2009]

i just gave u the dates they have Moron. For ppv and live Espn. U act like they can and will put a ppv on just any date. Which they won’t. Get a clue.

Golden Boy is putting on the Canelo PPV on Cinco De Mayo, with HBO airing a show the following week.

You act like there are only certain special days when you can put on a PPV, lol.

If ESPN has only offered Top Rank three dates for their cards, fine; pick the ESPN date that works best for Horn-Crawford, and stage a Top Rank PPV (using ESPN talent) for the week prior. Top Rank has other fighters for the other ESPN dates.

There seem to be gentlemanly rules about not staging two PPV events in one billing cycle, but that's it.