Why hasn't Deontay Wilder faced the following boxers in his pro career so far?

[Mr Objecitivity]

You mean fighters that “you” think are top ranked fighters lmao.

No! Fighters I KNOW are top ranked based on their record and accomplishments.

[JAB5239]

So you're claiming it's not objective of me to criticize a boxer's lack of accomplishment when he himself claims he is greater than past all time greats, yet hasn't even first proven to be the greatest heavyweight of his own era yet?

Should I quote you in another thread discussing AJ and Wilder where you said "let's see how this careers turn out before judging them" or something to that effect? Can't have it both ways. Either you're objective or your not. But you can't have it both ways.

[sotgoda]

So you're claiming it's not objective of me to criticize a boxer's lack of accomplishment when he himself claims he is greater than past all time greats, yet hasn't even first proven to be the greatest heavyweight of his own era yet?

Wilder has never claimed to be the greatest. He just said he is confident he can beat any of the past greats. There is nothing wrong with that. Compare Serena Williams to Graf, Margaret Court, etc. Serena at her prime would beat them - but is she greater than Margaret Court? No, she isn't. Margaret court has 24 slams - Serena 23. Greatness is about what you accomplish over time. But that does not mean you cannot be defeated.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Should I quote you in another thread discussing AJ and Wilder where you said "let's see how this careers turn out before judging them" or something to that effect? Can't have it both ways. Either you're objective or your not. But you can't have it both ways.

So you're not going to answer the question then? Okay!

[JAB5239]

So you're not going to answer the question then? Okay!

I've already answered it by telling you boxers say all kinds of crazy things. Ali said he was the greatest nearly two decades before he hung up the gloves. Tyson said something to the effect "these mere mortals can't beat me with their primitive skills". The list goes on and on. I've already pointed out all the fighters Vitally missed yet you want to ignore that like Wilder is the first to take the road he's taken. You ignoring all this is far from being objective.

[JAB5239]

Wilder has never claimed to be the greatest. He just said he is confident he can beat any of the past greats. There is nothing wrong with that. Compare Serena Williams to Graf, Margaret Court, etc. Serena at her prime would beat them - but is she greater than Margaret Court? No, she isn't. Margaret court has 24 slams - Serena 23. Greatness is about what you accomplish over time. But that does not mean you cannot be defeated.

Good post. Very objective.

[sotgoda]

Good post. Very objective.

Thanks, bro! Too much delusional discussions by many folks on here -making it difficult to have practical and logical discussions on boxing for real.

[Mr Objecitivity]

I've already answered it by telling you boxers say all kinds of crazy things. Ali said he was the greatest nearly two decades before he hung up the gloves. Tyson said something to the effect "these mere mortals can't beat me with their primitive skills". The list goes on and on. I've already pointed out all the fighters Vitally missed yet you want to ignore that like Wilder is the first to take the road he's taken. You ignoring all this is far from being objective.

And if Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson were boxing today, I would also hold them to the same standard as I'm currently holding Deontay Wilder in. I'm not sure why you're redirecting this topic and making this about them. This is strictly about Wilder!

Deontay Wilder has disrespected past heavyweight champions and has made claims that implied he was a heavyweight 'great'. Yet, he hasn't even proven to be the best heavyweight of his own era. So how is it not objective of me to criticize Wilder's poor level of opposition, relative to how great or good he calls himself to be?

Vitali Klitschko never called himself an all time great, nor did he disrespect past heavyweight all time great champions like Wilder has done. So why should I apply the same criticism to Vitali Klitschko as I am to Deontay Wilder, when the circumstances are vastly different?

[JAB5239]

And if Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson were boxing today, I would also hold them to the same standard as I'm currently holding Deontay Wilder in. I'm not sure why you're redirecting this topic and making this about them. This is strictly about Wilder!

Deontay Wilder has disrespected past heavyweight champions and has made claims that implied he was a heavyweight 'great'. Yet, he hasn't even proven to be the best heavyweight of his own era. So how is it not objective of me to criticize Wilder's poor level of opposition, relative to how great or good he calls himself to be?

Vitali Klitschko never called himself an all time great, nor did he disrespect past heavyweight all time great champions like Wilder has done. So why should I apply the same criticism to Vitali Klitschko as I am to Deontay Wilder, when the circumstances are vastly different?

So you're judging him in this thread, yet saying "let's see how his career plays out" in another thread? That makes no sense. No objective person cares what Wilder says now, we all know it's just words and self promotion. But when you choose to challenge resumes, be prepared to have it countered by the FACTS of others resumes.

[siablo14]

In no PARTICULAR order:

1) Kubrat Pulev

2) Bryant Jennings

3) Wladimir Klitschko

4) Vitali Klitschko

5) Mariusz Wach

6) Jarrell Miller

7) Carlos Takam

8) Dillian Whyte

9) Dominic Brezeale

10) Andy Ruiz Jr

11) Tyson Fury

12) Hughie Fury

13) David Haye

14) Dereck Chisora



These are ALL the BEST heavyweight boxers available that were in the top 10 at some point during their careers. They are also the best available heavyweight boxers based on them having the best win/loss ratios out of their career records. Their resume is also the best with all of their opponent's win/loss ratio being the best.

So the excuse that no quality heavyweight exists for Deontay Wilder except 3 or 4 heavyweights to fight against is only that, an excuse, a myth and is totally false!

Even if we exclude the following 3 'drug cheats' who failed drug tests:

1) Alexander Povetkin

2) Luis Ortiz

3) Andrzej Wawrzyk


There are AT LEAST 14 other top quality opponents available for Deontay Wilder to face. What excuse does Wilder have of not facing them? That's right, NOTHING!

If the ABSOLUTE BEST POSSIBLE OPPONENTS like Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury are unavailable. Then he could face the next best available / possible opponents such as the boxers out of the list I mentioned. Instead, Wilder chooses to fight lower ranked opponents with inferior win/loss ratios out of their career records and with inferior resumes.


The only other decent opponents he has faced are:

1) Bermane Stiverne

2) Johan Duhapas

3) Chris Arreola

4) Gerald Washington


Out of the number of bouts he has had, that's a horrible resume / level of opposition he has faced for one of the TOP heavyweights in the world and for a heavyweight champion.

Deontay Wilder has been PROVEN to be a relatively UNPROVEN FRAUD!

Arreola wasnt decent when he faced him.