Comments Thread For: Wilder: Joshua is Not Worldwide, Nobody Knows His Name in U.S.

[killakali]

First you complain about using the live number, then you complain about using the prime time number. Why not just admit you're going to complain no matter what?




No you wouldn't, because the question is who is more well known in the US. Not who would be more well known in the US if both happened to be Americans fighting in the US live in prime time.

Wilder is more well known here. Clearly. Obviously with the advantage of being from here and fighting here. It's not a slight against AJ to admit that Wilder is more well known in Wilder's country. Wtf is wrong with you . . .




#1 - Klitschko was the A-side.
#2 - HBO is in more homes than Showtime.
#3 - HBO's publicly released numbers are artificially inflated.
#4 - SHO's publicly released numbers are artificially deflated.
#5 - Prime time replay of a sporting event often outdraws the live airing.


Wilder is one of SHO's biggest ratings draws. So his numbers are only "pathetic" if the argument is taking place in an alternate universe where we have to ignore that Wilder is noticeably more popular than most American fighters.

SHowtime doesn't have big draws so being one of their biggest draws isn't a big thing. Not that HBO is that far ahead with Crawford and Lomachenko gone and doing big numbers on ESPN. The fact that HBO is in more homes than Showtime tells more boxing fans have hbo than showtime but that is a different story.

Although I am with you that Showtime had a way better 2017 and appears to be on its way to whipping HBO again in 2018. Just HBO has created PPV stars and Showtime hasn't. HBO has the ppv revenue stream plus a larger subscriber base so we know which company is making more money. That is why Espinoza jumped for joy for floyd vs conor.

I never said IF Joshua was American. That wasn't the comparison. The comparison is if Wilder fought Stiverne at 5pm eastern on a Saturday that ratings wouldn't be any better than Joshua vs Takam and that is a fact

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SHowtime doesn't have big draws so being one of their biggest draws isn't a big thing.

Hahahaha, how convenient. Okay, but one problem for you. AJ is on Showtime. So no matter how you slice it, Wilder is still clearly the bigger draw in the US.

Not that HBO is that far ahead with Crawford and Lomachenko gone and doing big numbers on ESPN.

Hahahahah. Okay, so Crawford fights on ESPN, which is in nearly 90 million homes, and does 965,000 viewers and Wilder fights on SHO, which is in less than 30 million homes, and does 900,000 viewers, and that means Crawford is doing "big numbers" and Wilder doesn't draw? Think about how ****** you sound right now.

[Pennsauken1]

Nobody knows that fraud Brit Diva in US because he keeps fighting bums!!!!!

[chocolatebomber]

Then why doesn't he ever fight in Vegas?

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Parker is making 9.6 million.

Possibly. Depends on how well the PPV does. That is not his guarantee. You're believing speculative tabloid numbers.

That is 5x more than Wilder and YOU KNOW IT.

Wilder made over $5 million for the Povetkin fight without even having to fight him. Even if Parker ends up making $10 million (which is possible), that's twice Wilder's highest payday, not 5x. More importantly, If AJ and Wilder both win, when they fight, Wilder will make a LOT more than $10 million.

Wilder isn't fighting Joshua and doesn't really want the fight.

Oh come on man. Stop being so ****ing ******. There's not an active heavyweight on the planet that doesn't want to fight AJ. AJ is the cash cow. They all want AJ and they want him ASAP, Wilder included. Use your head.

He is trying to dictate terms as the clear B SIDE.

No, he's trying to generate headlines. Big difference. Hearn told Wilder's team that he didn't want AJ to fight Wilder until later in the year, so Wilder is trying to help build up the fight. Common sense.

So using your logic whatever ratings the fight between Joshua and Wilder would do WILDER IS THE B SIDE.

Not in the US he's not. Wilder is the A-side here. Which is why he'll get 40% of the pot instead of the 33% Parker got.

Wilder isn't that much bigger of a name in the US.

Yes he is. 900,000 is a lot more than 300,000. Stop being so biased.

You say Joshua's ppvs are dirt cheap when they are about what $25 US per buy? He would still create more ppv revenue than Wilder at $60 a pop in the US. Am I right or wrong? Would Wilder even do 100k ppv buys vs Ortiz? Would Wilder even do more than 250k vs Joshua?

Wilder would do more than 100k PPV buys against Ortiz and would definitely do more than 250k PPV buys against Joshua.

But a PPV that does 100k isn't worth putting on PPV unless you're desperate. AJ & Wilder know they can only fight each other if they want to do 250k+ PPV in the US.

You can argue all you want for why AJ is supposedly 10x the draw Wilder is, but when the fight is made at 60/40, what will you be saying?

[killakali]

Hahahaha, how convenient. Okay, but one problem for you. AJ is on Showtime. So no matter how you slice it, Wilder is still clearly the bigger draw in the US.




Hahahahah. Okay, so Crawford fights on ESPN, which is in nearly 90 million homes, and does 965,000 viewers and Wilder fights on SHO, which is in less than 30 million homes, and does 900,000 viewers, and that means Crawford is doing "big numbers" and Wilder doesn't draw? Think about how ****** you sound right now.

You mean Joshua is on Sky. Showtime is secondary money. WAAAAAAYYYY secondary.

As for Crawford funny you said that. Only 965k viewers but how many viewers were there on ESPN Deportes? How about ESPN 3. And that is with that fight having the prior event preempt it. If you add in ESPN Deportes alone you know the number is more like 1.5 million and not including ESPN3

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You mean Joshua is on Sky. Showtime is secondary money. WAAAAAAYYYY secondary.

The discussion is whether Wilder is more well known in the US. Clearly, he is. Nobody is dis*****g that AJ is far more well known worldwide. Have you actually read the thread?

As for Crawford funny you said that. Only 965k viewers but how many viewers were there on ESPN Deportes? How about ESPN 3. And that is with that fight having the prior event preempt it. If you add in ESPN Deportes alone you know the number is more like 1.5 million and not including ESPN3

And how about Showtime Extreme? How about Showtime Anytime?

Why are you trying to compare apples to oranges?

The claim was that Crawford does big numbers on ESPN and that Wilder does poor numbers on SHO.

Even though the numbers are nearly identical, despite ESPN being in 3x as many homes.

This is getting pathetic man. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Pennsauken1]

The only thing that is known about AJuice in the US is he is ducking and is under protective custody by his fraud promoter Hearn

[Digital Mouth]

That's the difference between todays HW champions and the champions of the glorious 80's and 90's. Mike Tyson was global. Everybody knew his name on every street. AJ & Wilder aren't even close. In my country Australia no one knows who AJ is or Wilder for that matter. That's why you have to make it in America first even if the money is in the UK.

Also the HW division in America was a lot more competitive back then. You had Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Rid**** Bowe, Lennox Lewis, George Foreman, Tommy Morrison, Frank Bruno, the list goes on and on and of course Don King in his prime who could talk a eskimo into buying a deep freezer.

[killakali]

Possibly. Depends on how well the PPV does. That is not his guarantee. You're believing speculative tabloid numbers.




Wilder made over $5 million for the Povetkin fight without even having to fight him. Even if Parker ends up making $10 million (which is possible), that's twice Wilder's highest payday, not 5x. More importantly, If AJ and Wilder both win, when they fight, Wilder will make a LOT more than $10 million.




Oh come on man. Stop being so ****ing ******. There's not an active heavyweight on the planet that doesn't want to fight AJ. AJ is the cash cow. They all want AJ and they want him ASAP, Wilder included. Use your head.




No, he's trying to generate headlines. Big difference. Hearn told Wilder's team that he didn't want AJ to fight Wilder until later in the year, so Wilder is trying to help build up the fight. Common sense.




Not in the US he's not. Wilder is the A-side here. Which is why he'll get 40% of the pot instead of the 33% Parker got.




Yes he is. 900,000 is a lot more than 300,000. Stop being so biased.




Wilder would do more than 100k PPV buys against Ortiz and would definitely do more than 250k PPV buys against Joshua.

But a PPV that does 100k isn't worth putting on PPV unless you're desperate. AJ & Wilder know they can only fight each other if they want to do 250k+ PPV in the US.

You can argue all you want for why AJ is supposedly 10x the draw Wilder is, but when the fight is made at 60/40, what will you be saying?

wilder wouldn’t do much more ppvs vs Ortiz than terence Crawford did can postol.

Again you can’t compare 900k vs 300k. Afternoon fights in the USA NEVER get good ratings. Boxing replays that are same day don’t get good ratings either. There is a reason why the license fee is SMALLER for US matinees. If u really are in the boxing business u would know this.

If Joshua gets 60/40 fighting wilder in WILDERs country then you know Joshua is the draw and why he is making the bigger purse even though the late start time hurts the UK ppv market. Those are facts.

As for Wilder Povetkin, wilder didn’t have a choice. PBC got blown out of the purse bid. If Wilder dropped his belt he would be just a contender not making 7 figures a fight. And that was a court settlement that Wilder won. Not a fight and not a payday.