Comments Thread For: Pacquiao vs. Matthysse: Golden Boy Prez Eager To Make a Deal

[mrjoeblive]

I agree with you on Rios, Algieri, Bradley, and Horn fights but not the rest. He had to jump 2 weight classes to fight Dela Hoya and he sent him into retirement. He had to move up to welterweight to fight Cotto. And Marquez and Morales? You can’t be serious, they were 2 of the 3 greatest featherweights(Barrera was the 3rd) of all time and those fights were fure fireworks! Now about Pac being an all time great — ask Sugar Ray Leonard and Lennox Lewis and they will tell you why!

Pac had far too many rematches that were nothing but money grabs for arum. for a stretch of about 6 or 7 years pac only fought top rank tablemates. whats great about that. I don't think anyone in modern boxing history pulled a stunt like that. I always said that hurt pacs credibility. too many fights were pac sought a wt advantage. these are not the tactics of an atg. when mosley wanted to fight pac he had to sell his stake in GB and sign with top rank to get the fight. pac could have fought jmm at 140 but he thought he could duplicate floyds success and forced jmm to fight at 147 not a cw of 144 and he ko ko'd. to me roach and arum ruined pacs rep to line their pockets. there were a lot of fantastic fights pac didn't get because arum didn't want to share the promo. arum even told Floyd if you let me be the sole promoter for Floyd vs pac the fight would get done tomorrow. so much for Floyd was ducking pac. I don't really think it was pac, but I know it was roach and arum. roach came up with the wt drain tactic and arum with the in house fights. pac deserved much better.

[jjsmyth87]

And Arum was also the one who made him fight Rios, Algieri and Bradley(3 times) resulting in low PPV earnings instead of making him fight Khan, Brooks, Porter, or Thurman which would result in higher PPV earnings. I know Danny Garcia did not want to fight him.

He made 20-25 million each fight for algieri rios and bradley 3. Arum probably lost money on those fights. Poor Manny being paid 25 million for tune ups

[Mzembe]

Idk wtf you are droning about in relation to what I said.

But first off ALL TIME GREAT. Its complete & utter bs. There is no such thing. Its simply a bunch of boxing dorks measuring great mens ****s.

2nd of all. How is a cat who won titles in damn near half the divisions in boxing not one of the top guys of his era (being a top guy of your era being all one can really acheive since ATG is bs).

YDKSAB if you don't think Manny was a bad mfer in his prime & that he's still have value now to Bud & other cats to fight in the future.

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People like you like to say Floyd ducked so and so or hasn't beaten big names and try to compare him to Sugar Ray Leonard but when it comes to Pacman you throw in the BS titles Pac has won.

There is only one logical and factual question you need to answer, can you name the guys beat at all the lower weight classes that were bona fide opponents? Pacman did own the feather weight division. He fought and beat the top guys there but had to fight them like three times each. He lost to Morales and Marquez too in a spectacular KO I might add.

Again, take a look at his wins at the lower belts and at the higher weight. There is literally one name at 135 and that's David Diaz - who the **** is Diaz?

At 140 and 147 there is literally no one worth a mention. Bradley? Please.
Mosley? Mosley had just lost to Floyd
Cotto? He was weight drained
Margarito? Weight drained

I don't need to repeat the names you can look it up yourself.
If Pac is so great, why can't he fight Spence or Thurman? Look at the bums he keeps fighting

[Eff Pandas]

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People like you like to say Floyd ducked so and so

LMFAO you have no f#cking clue who you are talking to if thats what you legit think obviously. Go search some of my posts arguing with dipsh^ts that said Floyd ducked Margarito & Paul Williams.

How bout you just quit sh^tting on a obvious top fighter of his era like Manny which makes you look ****** & fanboy-ish. Sometimes its better to just take a L cuz your stance is ****** vs try to make up false & wrong stances about people you don't know.

[MannyQuacioau]

Manny will school Lucas!!

[Mzembe]

LMFAO you have no f#cking clue who you are talking to if thats what you legit think obviously. Go search some of my posts arguing with dipsh^ts that said Floyd ducked Margarito & Paul Williams.

How bout you just quit sh^tting on a obvious top fighter of his era like Manny which makes you look ****** & fanboy-ish. Sometimes its better to just take a L cuz your stance is ****** vs try to make up false & wrong stances about people you don't know.

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This is a boxing forum with tens of thousands of people posting their opinions. Do you know them? So you don't know me anymore than I know you. Pretty obtuse response from you. How about you respond to my points using facts and logic?

If you did argue with people that said Floyd ducked Margo or P Williams well, that's fine since I would agree with you.

Manny is/was a good fighter and pretty famous worldwide but his "greatest wins" are riddled with asterisks. If you follow boxing as well as you claim you do then I don't need to convince you. Just look at his record. That's all you need to look at.

I'm more than willing to dissect Manny's career. Are you?

[Mzembe]

I agree with you on Rios, Algieri, Bradley, and Horn fights but not the rest. He had to jump 2 weight classes to fight Dela Hoya and he sent him into retirement. He had to move up to welterweight to fight Cotto.
And Marquez and Morales? You can’t be serious, they were 2 of the 3 greatest featherweights(Barrera was the 3rd) of all time and those fights were fure fireworks! Now about Pac being an all time great — ask Sugar Ray Leonard and Lennox Lewis and they will tell you why!

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What do you mean he had to jump two weight classes? He made sure Oscar was weight drained to 147Ibs knowing very well that it was his only chance to beat a dehydrated Oscar.
He did the same thing to Cotto. They forced him to fight at 145 to weight drain him too.

They tried that BS with Floyd for two years. Freddy Roach kept saying Manny wasn't ready for Floyd. This is something that is on record and you can find it on Youtube.

Marquez, Morales and Barrera were all great fights but Manny LOST to Marquez and Morales. He fought these three guys 9 times!!!! Get that in your head. Manny did not own that division and neither did he destroy these guys. He lost to them and had close fights with all of them. That does not warrant him being an all time great. If that is the case then the greatest boxer of all time should be Arturro Gatti cuz he always had great fights even if he was getting beat up.

I don't need Sugar Ray or Lennox Lewis's opinion to determine if Manny is an all time great. I have eyes just like them and I understand the sport of boxing. Besides, Lennox knocked out by two BUMS. Sure he beat them in rematches but he was KNOCKED OUT twice by BUMS

[Ganondorf]

I would still take this version of Manny over Matthysse. Nothing against Matthysse, but Manny is a great fighter. He still has the potential to show glimpses of himself which can be outright terrifying.

[Eff Pandas]

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This is a boxing forum with tens of thousands of people posting their opinions. Do you know them? So you don't know me anymore than I know you. Pretty obtuse response from you. How about you respond to my points using facts and logic?

If you did argue with people that said Floyd ducked Margo or P Williams well, that's fine since I would agree with you.

Manny is/was a good fighter and pretty famous worldwide but his "greatest wins" are riddled with asterisks. If you follow boxing as well as you claim you do then I don't need to convince you. Just look at his record. That's all you need to look at.

I'm more than willing to dissect Manny's career. Are you?

First off all time great is some child bs that I don't debate cuz its baby sh^t & meaningless & no one can ever be right or wrong cuz its all opinion sh^t.

But if you don't think Manny is one of the best fighters of his era of boxing I can't even speak to you like a rational mfer. Who is any good if Manny isn't? Like 3 guys from his era or something like that?

Cmon don't be one of "those fans" who gotta **** ride one guy or hate on another guy. I'm a Grand Rapids cat who knew who Floyd was when he was just that kid who's dad fought Ray Leonard. And I was sh^ttalking Manny all up & down that rivalry cuz there were so many Manny fanboys that made me hate Manny for a long time, BUT that doesn't mean I'm not a reasonable & rational guy at the end of the day & with some maturity under my belt myself & realize that Manny was an amazing fighter in his era even if he was 2nd to Floyd (& maybe other guys if you wanna go down that rabbit hole, but its a silly rabbit hole to go down cuz who f#cking cares if Manny is 2nd or 4th of his era realllllly).

[Mzembe]

First off all time great is some child bs that I don't debate cuz its baby sh^t & meaningless

But if you don't think Manny is one of the best fighters of his era of boxing I can't even speak to you like a rational mfer. Who is any good if Manny isn't? Like 3 guys from his era or something like that?

I'm a Grand Rapids cat who knew who Floyd was when he was just that kid who's dad fought Ray Leonard. And I was sh^ttalking Manny all up & down that rivalry cuz there were so many Manny fanboys that made me hate Manny for a long time, BUT that doesn't mean I'm not a reasonable & rational guy at the end of the day & with some maturity under my belt myself & realize that Manny was an amazing fighter in his era even if he was 2nd to Floyd (& maybe other guys if you wanna go down that rabbit hole, but its a silly rabbit hole to go down cuz who f#cking cares if Manny is 2nd or 4th of his era realllllly).

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I don't dislike Manny. He was promoted by an evil man who cherry picked a lot of Manny's fight i.e made sure to milk Manny to the max.
That aside, as boxing fans we all love to make those match ups that look really intriguing on paper even though some of them end up being duds.

For example, JuanMa vs Gamboa would have been a great fight and would have pretty much turned the winner into a stratosphere that they both lost because of Arum. FYI, Gamboa would have mopped the floor with JuanMa.

Floyd vs Margarito would have been a great fight i.e a a boxing clinic and the annihilation of Margarito as a That would have been a time to really know how Manny would have fared against top notch competition. He struggled against Marquez everytime which means against good boxers Manny would have most certainly struggled.

That's how I judge the man. Of course he's had a better career than Margarito or Bradley but he is one of those boxers that should have fought better fighters and they did exist. People like to shyt on Roy Jones or Joe Calzaghe but those two guys cleaned up their respective divisions and it's not their fault that their divisions weren't loaded with talent.

140 and 147 was loaded with talent (it still is) but Manny chooses to go after guys like Algieri or Horn or Vargas or Mathysse etc. IF that doesn't bother you then I guess to each his own?