Throwback-Mayweather Canelo Epilogue

[sbbigmike]

I think you do Floyd a disservice by calling it easy, the fight was actually really competitive especially the first 8 rounds. It was one of those fights with really competitive rounds, but one guy wins most of them.

Canelo obviously fought the fight too early and with the wrong strategy. Oscar and GBP probably thought it was worth the risk because of the financial reward and boost in profile win or lose.

But people forget that the Trout fight was close, despite what the judges said, I think that was about his level then. Floyd just a bit too much of a jump in level. I think he was better for the experience though (Trout & Floyd). I think he would have lost to Lara had he not had those fights.

The only guy I see being able to beat him wide like that again is BJS. I don't think any of the other fighters have the style to do it. GGG might beat him, Charlo might beat him, Jacobs might beat him, but not wide like that.

Now Chino Floyd both fights were competitive, Canelo didnt do shyt he was getting beaten bullied, fouling to by time and the shyt buzzed out him, while just getting every impactful punch he threw countered; Floyd was a machine and had the eye of the tiger that night....Canelo aint deserve no praise for that performance, Canelo himself dont believe what you say, and killed that rhetoric post fight

[sbbigmike]

Great performance by Floyd. Canelo probably has improved but he would have had to improve x 10 to beat Floyd.

The dominant performance wasn't down to 2lbs or Canelo being green. It's because Canelo is a boxer, not a brawler and made the naive mistake thinking he could box with Floyd. If you do that, you won't even come close to winning. Maybe saying he was naive is unfair because he IS a boxer and you can't just turn to a game plan that isn't natural to you against one of the best fighters to lace them up.

Floyd is just the superior boxer of the two and Canelo doesn't have the tools to compete with him in that respect and never had the tools to do anything different.

Canelo couldnt stop himself from getting stalked and walked down by GGG, hhe'll never improve enough to beat Floyd......Also Im sick of the myth that Canelo has gotten any better, Canelo skills actually has greatly regressed from his 154 days, he's a home run swinger, when he used to have those JMM esqe picture perfect combos, also he had a A plus jab, he has completely abandon his jab to land fight ending hooks

[HanzGruber]

Why is beating a weight drained 22 year old Canelo a great win for Floyd, while Loma gets slaughtered for "picking on kids" when he talks about fighting 22 year old Tank Davis?

yea that 1.5 pounds really drained him lol pls go

[kafkod]

The difference is Tank is not the "other best" fighter at 130, Berchelt is . As such they should fight. Canelo was the other best guy at 154 when Floyd fought him.

Question-why do posters like you, that often post about wanting to see the "best fight the best" continually call for a Loma/Tank fight, even though you admit Tank isn't one of the 2 or 3 best 130lbers in the world?

At no point did I ever see you rank Tank ahead of Berchelt or Machado. If you did and I didn't see it, please show me where. If you see this as a 50/50 fight then you see Tank as one of the best in the world, which I KNOW you don't because you have often posted Loma would destroy Tank.

Even if you honestly felt it was a 50/50 fight (which I don't believe for one second), Berchelt and Machado were still ranked ahead of Tank in every credible rankings. At no point does a Tank/Loma fight fit your "best fighting the best" desire.

You are being disingenuous, if not outright dishonest. If you want to see Tank get crushed by a much better fighter just say so. It's fine.

Just don't get mad when another poster says they want to see Loma fight Crawford or any other fight that appears on paper to be as equally one sided as Tank/Loma.

Floyd and Canelo were the 2 best fighters at 154 .. so Floyd fought him at 152? And please don't give me the standard flomo bullshit about Canelo being the one who asked for a CW. We all know what happened there.

To your other points .. tbh, I don't know enough about Berchelt and Machado to rate them better than Tank, and I've never given an opinion on that. Neither have I ever talked about Loma destroying Tank, or been calling for them to fight each other since Tank lost his 130 title.

I noticed that Loma/Davis only started being painted as a complete mismatch here after Floyd came out at a presser talking about Tank being so young and saying he would never throw him into a fight with Loma before he was ready.

I don't alter my opinions to fit in with what Mayweather says doe. Only 2 or 3 weeks ago, Breadman was still talking about it being a 50/50 fight. I'm sure he knows a lot more about US fighters than I do, and he doesn't have a vested interest in preserving Tank's 0 either, btw.

Comparing Loma/Davis to Loma/Crawford is just ridiculous. Loma and Tank are in the same division, and Tank is the one missing weight, not Loma.

Crawford is now 3 divisions higher, and walking around 30lbs heavier than Loma. So how about Bud fighting the winner of the WBSS 168 tournament?

See what I mean?

[The Big Dunn]

Floyd and Canelo were the 2 best fighters at 154 .. so Floyd fought him at 152? And please don't give me the standard flomo bullshit about Canelo being the one who asked for a CW. We all know what happened there.

To your other points .. tbh, I don't know enough about Berchelt and Machado to rate them better than Tank, and I've never given an opinion on that. Neither have I ever talked about Loma destroying Tank, or been calling for them to fight each other since Tank lost his 130 title.

I noticed that Loma/Davis only started being painted as a complete mismatch here after Floyd came out at a presser talking about Tank being so young and saying he would never throw him into a fight with Loma before he was ready.

I don't alter my opinions to fit in with what Mayweather says doe. Only 2 or 3 weeks ago, Breadman was still talking about it being a 50/50 fight. I'm sure he knows a lot more about US fighters than I do, and he doesn't have a vested interest in preserving Tank's 0 either, btw.

Comparing Loma/Davis to Loma/Crawford is just ridiculous. Loma and Tank are in the same division, and Tank is the one missing weight, not Loma.

Crawford is now 3 divisions higher, and walking around 30lbs heavier than Loma. So how about Bud fighting the winner of the WBSS 168 tournament?

See what I mean?

The weight they fought at doesn't change the fact they were the 2 best at 154. That is why it is different than Tank/Loma.

I seriously doubt you don't know about Berchelt. You need only look at any credible rankings. Tank/loma was called a mismatch by most logical people well before that. Now if you are going to take 1 or 2 posters saying it wouldn't be and pretend that is the prevailing thought on NSB well then you are being disingenuous.

Obviously my point is Crawford would batter Loma the same way most expect Loma to batter tank. If you want to go same weight classes, than it would be like Crawford/Horn-we all expect Crawford to bludgeon him.

[kafkod]

The weight they fought at doesn't change the fact they were the 2 best at 154. That is why it is different than Tank/Loma.

I seriously doubt you don't know about Berchelt. You need only look at any credible rankings. Tank/loma was called a mismatch by most logical people well before that. Now if you are going to take 1 or 2 posters saying it wouldn't be and pretend that is the prevailing thought on NSB well then you are being disingenuous.

Obviously my point is Crawford would batter Loma the same way most expect Loma to batter tank. If you want to go same weight classes, than it would be like Crawford/Horn-we all expect Crawford to bludgeon him.

That wasn't what I was reading, and I while I would have favoured Loma, I certainly didn't think of it as a mismatch.

You can say I DKSAB .. but Breadman too?

[Larry the boss]

Of course you're not a tank fan...you'll wait til he's proven himself a top level talent before you get on the bandwagon, same as you did with spence.

Isn't that how it's supposed to work??

[Real King Kong]

Isn't that how it's supposed to work??

For you? Yes...ever since the broner debacle anyway.

[SplitSecond]

Canelo couldnt stop himself from getting stalked and walked down by GGG, hhe'll never improve enough to beat Floyd......Also Im sick of the myth that Canelo has gotten any better, Canelo skills actually has greatly regressed from his 154 days, he's a home run swinger, when he used to have those JMM esqe picture perfect combos, also he had a A plus jab, he has completely abandon his jab to land fight ending hooks

You talk like Floyd doesnt have a major weakness against pressure fighters. If chino did that to floyd golovkin would kill him. Floyd is not as durable as canelo, a few rounds of those jabs and mayweather would be ready to go late.

[Caught Square]

Personally I don't see these major improvements Canelo has made since Floyd beat him but that's not a criticism because I always rated him highly since he was fighting the likes of Ryan Rhodes. He still has the same flaws to me, mainly dodgy stamina when in a fight he's pushed (like vs Golovkin). What does he do now that is noticeably different?

I remember there were rumours of Floyd fighting him after Mosley in 2010, if it happened then he definitely would've been green and you could say he had improved a fair bit, gained more experience vs top opposition.

There was a lot of demand for the fight when they fought and had it not happened then the fan pressure would've only grown with people saying it's another example of Mayweather cherry picking, avoiding a legit threat and all the usual stuff.