Excuses for when golovkin loses thread

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THIS.

I love how dudes are like seriously doubting human's prime age, as if it isn't scientific.



https://www.wired.com/2011/07/athletes-peak-age/

Thank you fam, this idiot is still arguing. I literally told him how to find this for himself and he's still name dropping a ton of PED users as examples of not being shot..

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They will be similar to the ages of Kostya Tszyu and Ricky Hatton when they met. The consensus was that GGG edged the first bout though. Thus I'd say it's a 50-50 fight.

[mlac]

hes already lost!
jacobs = schooled, robbery
Canelo = schooled, robbery, nearly KO'd
Murray = schooling him until a corrupt stoppage!

Even Kell brook a WELTERWEIGHT was wobbling him all over the place and WINNING before a unfortunate injury!!!!

why are they giving this commie POS lil g so much rigged fights? makes me SICK

[Body Shot]

Canelo should win pretty easily imo but im pulling for GGG i like both guys. I think a golovkin win is more impressive. To even suggest Golovkin is anywhere near his prime is ridiculous. He's just too old and slow for canelo. Its not really an excuse, its reality.

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My man whatever boxing card you had you just lost, you've named a gang of PED users as "EXAMPLES" that boxers are ageless. My fantasy world is reality, I myself am seeing the physical changes because i'm in that age demographic. Matter of fact you didn't bother to actually go look at the science like I asked you to, actual people who study this shhh for a living. Not boxing homers who think their opinion is the almighty final word. Science my man, SCIENCE! It's why when you hit your 30's they start checking you for shhhhh they never had to check you for before, it's why when you hit your 40's they start checking you for more shhh they never had to check you for before. You want to talk about living in a fantasy world...you clearly are speaking for yourself. There isn't a single logical person who in their right mind thinks a fighter after 20 plus years of getting punched in the face is not shot in some way. Even in the soft azz NBA you got dudes on the very early side of 30 no longer capable of doing what they did a year or even two years before. In a soft non-contact sport like that. You try getting concussed endlessly for over 20 years and tell me just how healthy you are....yeah experience helps you when you are older but that does not mean you aren't shot.

I listed fighters getting exposed in their mid 20's, the years you're telling me they're at their peaks as boxers.


A 26 year old Andre Ward may have been at his physical peak, but as a boxer he was struggling against Sakio Bika. A 30 year old Ward would not struggle against Bika because he's adapted to that style. That's what you're not understanding.

Boxers get better when they gain experience against certain styles.

[Cutthroat]

Again, you're cherry picking anomalies as opposed to looking at the hundreds of thousands of athletes in every sport who start declining in their early 30s.

Hell, Mike Tyson was an all-time great at 21, does that mean that age 21 is most people's peak?

No,

mid-late 20s is virtually everybody's athletic peak.

There are exceptions (usually involving drugs of some sort), but usually the rules are set.



Bull****.

GGG had hundreds of amateur fights before he turned pro and now has almost 40 in the ring.

He will be 36 years old in February.

He's past his prime

History says he is.

Science says he is.

Let it go.

Stop cherry picking extraordinary individuals and look at the history of sports, genius. Virtually nobody is in their prime in any sport at 36.

I'm not cherry picking anything, it's COMMON in boxing for fighters to get exposed by sub-par competition in their 20's. Go through boxing's history of all the knock downs, close fights and you'll see it's EVERYWHERE.

The fact is a 30 year old ggg went life and death with Ouma. You have to believe a 35 year old version wouldn't do better.

And for the last time, ggg is not a shot fighter, he's still capable of beating most of the MW division, the problem is his competition is better.

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I listed fighters getting exposed in their mid 20's, the years you're telling me they're at their peaks as boxers.


A 26 year old Andre Ward may have been at his physical peak, but as a boxer he was struggling against Sakio Bika. A 30 year old Ward would not struggle against Bika because he's adapted to that style. That's what you're not understanding.

Boxers get better when they gain experience against certain styles.

You are still talking about 30...what's closer to your peak, 30 or 35? So a 35 year old fighter with nearly 390 fights and close to three decades of being punched in the face is at his peak? Even the great Andre Ward would disagree with you and your take. Was he a better fighter at 30? Yes, can he still perform at 35 as he did at 30? No. Does his body need the same amount of rest? No. Does his body ache more? Yes. Is his speed still the same? No. Now you have a power puncher who was never really fast on his feet or with his hands in the first place, put him in his mid 30s and slow him down some more..and that's a fighter in his prime or near it? In what galaxy bro?

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Did I claim the jet-lag excuse doesn't apply to Kassim Ouma? Both struggled from their own respective jet-lags. Difference is, Golovkin destroyed Ouma, sent thim to hospital by stopping him and inflicting great deal of damage on him with a jet-lag whilst Ouma with a jet-lag lost.


Again, Golovkin struggling with Ouma had nothing to do with age but being jet-lagged. A 35 year old Golovkin equally jet-lagged would've struggled just as much and a 30 year old Golovkin without any jet-lags would've beaten Ouma without struggling.

What you're doing is using one bout to prove a point which = a hasty generalization fallacy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasty_generalization

Golovkin had extensive amateur experience and by his 30's, he was sufficiently experienced. Age does = athletic prime. Science proves this! A boxer in his athletic prime may not be experienced and therefore not be in his complete prime (athletic prime + experienced prime) but that wasn't the case with Golovkin at all against Ouma.

Ouma was 2-5 in his last 7 fights, he hadn't picked up a relevant win in over 5 years. That is a shot fighter, not the 35 year old version of ggg you pretend is.

Ouma was older too, being jet lagged would've taken more effect on him lmao.

The amateur system is completely different than the pros, ggg didn't have the necessary pro experience to deal with the elites of the division at age 30, he needed fights with Brook, Jacobs, and others to get him to the point he was supposed to be.


26 year old ggg getting rocked by a nobody in 2008




ggg was NOWHERE near ready in 2008 let alone in 2011.

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Ok let's get the excuses out of the way guys

Why does anyone need an excuse? It's the #1 middleweight vs. the #2 middleweight. Someone has to win.

[Cutthroat]

You are still talking about 30...what's closer to your peak, 30 or 35? So a 35 year old fighter with nearly 390 fights and close to three decades of being punched in the face is at his peak? Even the great Andre Ward would disagree with you and your take. Was he a better fighter at 30? Yes, can he still perform at 35 as he did at 30? No. Does his body need the same amount of rest? No. Does his body ache more? Yes. Is his speed still the same? No. Now you have a power puncher who was never really fast on his feet or with his hands in the first place, put him in his mid 30s and slow him down some more..and that's a fighter in his prime or near it? In what galaxy bro?

By age 26 ggg was getting rocked by nobodies.
By age 30 ggg was struggling against nobodies.

35 year old ggg is closer to his peak as a fighter than 30 year old ggg, his supposed prime years.

Ward lost his passion for boxing, he could've performed well into his 30's if he really wanted to, he looked one of the sharpest I've ever seen him at 33 against Kovalev.