Excuses for when golovkin loses thread

[Cutthroat]

At the highest level, small things count and mental sharpness / reflexes do decline after age 35. This affects a boxer's ability to land punches with good accuracy and good timing. It also effects a boxer's ability to defend against punches as well.

An inexperienced boxer has different set of problems than an experienced boxer who is past his athletic peak.

A boxer is at his best when he is at his athletic peak + sufficiently experienced.

And looks aren't as relevant as performance. And conditioning (especially in the heavyweight division) can be independent of physical aesthetics / appearance. A somewhat chubby boxer can be in better condition than a lean / muscular boxer with less fat. And historically speaking, no past heavyweight champion at age 39+ beat the number 1 future world heavyweight champion. So if a new heavyweight in 10 years time were to defeat Anthony Joshua after Joshua reaches age 39 and whilst they were only aged 27, it wouldn't really be that great of an accomplishment. Just like how Joshua beating a 41 year old Wladimir Klitschko was not that great of an accomplishment either.

Until there is enough evidence that boxers can perform at their absolute best close to age 40 against opponents that are 10 years younger, science hasn't advanced enough yet, nor have athletes advanced enough to be able to perform that well after age 35.

"A boxer is at his best when he is at his athletic peak + sufficiently experienced."

Yes and that's where ggg is at. You have to believe a 35 year old ggg wouldn't do better than Ouma than the 30 year old version did. It's really that simple.

The evidence is stacked, boxers throughout history have repeatedly shown flaws in their physical prime years due to inexperience.

[mathed]

What’s the diva’s excuse for not signing the contract yet?

Oh yeah, she got her ass whooped the first time, lol.

[Mr Objecitivity]

"A boxer is at his best when he is at his athletic peak + sufficiently experienced."

Yes and that's where ggg is at. You have to believe a 35 year old ggg wouldn't do better than Ouma than the 30 year old version did. It's really that simple.

The evidence is stacked, boxers throughout history have repeatedly shown flaws in their physical prime years due to inexperience.

The MAIN (probably ONLY reason) why Golovkin didn't perform as well as he could against Ouma was because he was jet-lagged fighting in a different country. It had nothing to do with age! If today's Golovkin fought the same Ouma with a similar Jet-lag, he would struggle equally. If 30 year old Golovkin fought the same Ouma without any jet-lag in USA , he wouldn't have struggled as much against him either.

Your reasoning is flawed and doesn't correlate with your main point!

Golovkin is currently sufficiently experienced but past his athletic peak. 2 or 3 years ago was his ABSOLUTE peak (Experience + athletic peak).

[Tutsa]

Father time , age is something you can't deny !! Not an excuse but a fact !! Canelo wins UD or late Tko !!

[Cutthroat]

The MAIN (probably ONLY reason) why Golovkin didn't perform as well as he could against Ouma was because he was jet-lagged fighting in a different country. It had nothing to do with age! If today's Golovkin fought the same Ouma with a similar Jet-lag, he would struggle equally. If 30 year old Golovkin fought the same Ouma without any jet-lag in USA , he wouldn't have struggled as much against him either.

Your reasoning is flawed and doesn't correlate with your main point!

Golovkin is currently sufficiently experienced but past his athletic peak. 2 or 3 years ago was his ABSOLUTE peak (Experience + athletic peak).

Kassim Ouma was fighting in a different country, the jet lag excuse doesn't apply to him too? It goes both ways.

ggg struggled with Ouma because he was only 5 years pro at 30 years old. Fighters progress differently, age doesn't=fighter's prime especially when that fighter is so inexperienced as ggg was. 35 year old ggg has seen more pro styles, has adapted better to the pro game and would beat Ouma more convincingly.

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A lot of people on here don't know what "excuse" means.

"He was never good" or "he's past prime" etc aren't excuses... You're flat out saying he's done. How is that an "excuse"?

Excuse: "He would have won the fight but Canelo was wearing green shoes and they were too distracting. He will come back next time without the green shoe problem.". There you're detracting from reality with some probably irrelevant detail & stubbornly clinging to your original appraisal.

Not an excuse: "He's done"

See the difference?

[pacmanis1]

A lot of people on here don't know what "excuse" means.

"He was never good" or "he's past prime" etc aren't excuses... You're flat out saying he's done. How is that an "excuse"?

Excuse: "He would have won the fight but Canelo was wearing green shoes and they were too distracting. He will come back next time without the green shoe problem.". There you're detracting from reality with some probably irrelevant detail & stubbornly clinging to your original appraisal.

Not an excuse: "He's done"

See the difference?

This^^^. I don’t give Mayweather full credit for schooling Canelo because he wasn’t in his prime yet. Likewise I won’t consider a Canelo win against GGG a win against a fighter in his prime.

[Vegemil]

-too old
-canelo made him wait too long before finalizing the rematch
-some convoluted sense of a decked stacked against golovkin
-"golovkin knew he couldnt win on cards so he had to try to knock canelo out"
-golovkins heart wasnt really in it anymore since he was "robbed" and just wanted to cash out

im probably missing about 10 other possibilities the most delusional fanbase in boxing could come up with

He IS old. I used to favor Golovkin and if they technically fought a week after the first one I would still pick Golovkin but he's getting older and Canelo is getting better.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Dude hatred/dislike/jealousy has a way of clouding people's judgement. The only way I can even logically see a mofo really believing age is not a factor is if:

• They are a young dude who thinks they'll be immortal and the same forever...we all kinda did
• Mofo's who came into the sport and only really saw the last like 10 years of Floyd career and then use that as the benchmark for everyone else.

The fact this dude even mentioned Hopkins is hilarious. I love Bernard but Bernard was not good later in life. He beat some questionable fighters and got taken to task by Dawson. Floyd in his later 30s needed to take to alternative things to help his body like freezing his b@lls off in cryo-treatments and this is a guy who took more than his fair share of breaks from the sport and took the least amount of punishment among active fighters. The body has a limit.

I agree! Good comment! Green K sent!

[Mr Objecitivity]

Kassim Ouma was fighting in a different country, the jet lag excuse doesn't apply to him too? It goes both ways.

ggg struggled with Ouma because he was only 5 years pro at 30 years old. Fighters progress differently, age doesn't=fighter's prime especially when that fighter is so inexperienced as ggg was. 35 year old ggg has seen more pro styles, has adapted better to the pro game and would beat Ouma more convincingly.

Did I claim the jet-lag excuse doesn't apply to Kassim Ouma? Both struggled from their own respective jet-lags. Difference is, Golovkin destroyed Ouma, sent thim to hospital by stopping him and inflicting great deal of damage on him with a jet-lag whilst Ouma with a jet-lag lost.

Again, Golovkin struggling with Ouma had nothing to do with age but being jet-lagged. A 35 year old Golovkin equally jet-lagged would've struggled just as much and a 30 year old Golovkin without any jet-lags would've beaten Ouma without struggling.

What you're doing is using one bout to prove a point which = a hasty generalization fallacy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasty_generalization

Golovkin had extensive amateur experience and by his 30's, he was sufficiently experienced. Age does = athletic prime. Science proves this! A boxer in his athletic prime may not be experienced and therefore not be in his complete prime (athletic prime + experienced prime) but that wasn't the case with Golovkin at all against Ouma.