Another reason Wilder isn't as popular as past U.S. HW champs

[PensionKiller]

Isn't as popular as the most popular HW champs ever. More popular than the HW champs of the last couple decades. I'll take improvement over no improvement.

Improvement over no improvement is always a positive, but it is clear to me that with 39 pro fights, a bronze Olympic medal and at age 32, he probably won't be anywhere near a HW Champ with pulling power of someone like Tyson.

Boxing isn't dead in the US, some of the biggest ever revenue making fights have been made in the last 10 years. It is obvious that something has turned people away from him being a super star.

[N/A]

Improvement over no improvement is always a positive, but it is clear to me that with 39 pro fights, a bronze Olympic medal and at age 32, he probably won't be anywhere near a HW Champ with pulling power of someone like Tyson.

There may never be another Tyson ever again. But Wilder should be applauded for playing a part in the recovery of heavyweight boxing in the US, just as AJ should be applauded. This is the most interest there has been in the heavyweight division in this country in a very long time. I choose to focus on the positive. I loved the Tyson days as much as anyone. I was bored by the Ruiz/Byrd days as much as anyone. Things are heading in the right direction.

Boxing isn't dead in the US, some of the biggest ever revenue making fights have been made in the last 10 years. It is obvious that something has turned people away from him being a super star.

Boxing isn't dead, but it's a niche sport in this country now. The biggest fights in history have been in the last 10 years or so, but that's largely just been Mayweather. The sport went in a direction where undefeated was everything and the public's obsession with seeing Floyd lose created a frenzy that no other fighter may ever achieve in the future.

[Deus]

Boxing is a mainstream sport in England. Boxing is a niche sport in America. Very few boxers, if any, are wanted on US game shows, talk shows, etc. The producers of those shows generally aren't interested in featuring boxers.

A lot of what you say makes sense but it’s comments like this that illustrate that you have a habit to bull**** out of your own perceptions of reality.

Boxing is definitely not a mainstream sport in the UK, in fact most people on the street could probably only name you half a dozen boxers.

You just seem to think boxing is mainstream because Anthony Joshua is mainstream.

[N/A]

A lot of what you say makes sense but it’s comments like this that illustrate that you have a habit to bull**** out of your own perceptions of reality.

Boxing is definitely not a mainstream sport in the UK, in fact most people on the street could probably only name you half a dozen boxers.

Most people on the street in the US couldn't name you any boxers at all unless we're counting old legends like Muhammad Ali.

The viewership numbers clearly show boxing is far more mainstream in the UK than it is in the US. Our population is over 320 million and even a big fight on HBO rarely hits a million viewers anymore. Some barely do half of that.

US promoters would cut off an arm to have most people on the street be able to name one fighter, let alone a half dozen.

[killakali]

Correct. They've been down ever since the Showtime app added live streaming as people watching through the app are not counted by Nielsen. This is why HBO refuses to allow live streaming of their fights even though Showtime has allowed it for years.

The Showtime numbers falling perfectly correlate with several steps Showtime took to make their fights as accessible as possible. Which is why the Nielsen numbers are so misleading. Think about it logically. Showtime is more committed to boxing than ever before and spending more money on boxing than ever before. Despite "falling ratings." Why do you think that is? Clearly they know something you don't. Which is the true numbers. They know exactly how many people are watching live on the app, watching VOD, etc. So they're basing their decisions on the real numbers, not the Nielsen numbers.

HBO is much more concerned with optics, which is why they're so obsessed with the Nielsen number, even if it makes things much worse for fans that HBO fights can't be streamed live and you have to wait several days for the fights to be added to HBO GO, and even then, they don't add the whole broadcast.

Sho doesn't make money off people watching on facebook and youtube. Apparently you don't realize its the amount of subscribers they have that dictates the money they make. That and ppv revenue but the only pay per view fighter they had was Floyd who is gone and they have failed to produce another ppv star.

That was a nice try though. And to take it a step futher they have lost over 50% of their peak ratings when Broner and Danny Garcia were at their peaks. When Canelo was fighting on PPV for them. 50% of their audience didn't start watching boxing on their phone or tablet since then. It doesn't make sense and you know it. The number would be more like 10% and 15% tops.

Also I will mention again you have WBA WBC and IBF but you forgot the WBO why is that fam?

[daggum]

you don't find a man tripping over himself and falling down while throwing punches entertaining?

[N/A]

Sho doesn't make money off people watching on facebook and youtube.

Nobody was talking about facebook and youtube.

Showtime allows their subscribers to watch live on Showtime Anytime. HBO doesn't allow their subscribers to watch live on HBO GO.

Showtime replays their fights on TV later that night, decreasing the need to watch live. HBO doesn't replay their fights on TV later that night.

Showtime makes their fights available video on demand within hours. HBO makes their subscribers wait 3-4 days.

Showtimes makes the entire broadcast available video on demand. HBO only makes the fights themselves available, stripping out important elements of the broadcast.

HBO tries to make it as inconvenient as possible to watch in any way other than the way that will be counted by Nielsen. Showtime makes it as convenient as possible to watch in a variety of ways, even if it decreases the Nielsen number.

Showtime isn't selling ads. They don't care about the Nielsen number. They care about how many subscribers are watching. Live on TV. Tape delay on TV later that night. Live on their computer, tablet, phone, live on their TV via Roku, a gaming console, or other devices. Watching the full broadcast the next day any way they wish.

HBO on the other hand is obsessed with the Nielsen number and wants to make sure watching live on TV is as appealing as possible, by making all other methods as inconvenient as possible.

The effect this has on the publicly released ratings can't be overlooked. HBO's ratings are smoke and mirrors. There's a reason the budget keeps getting cut while Showtime's budget keeps getting increased. Use your melon. If Showtime really lost half of their boxing viewers, do you think they'd be so committed to expanding their boxing programming? Clearly they're seeing results. They are privy to numbers you aren't.

Also I will mention again you have WBA WBC and IBF but you forgot the WBO why is that fam?

Nobody forgot anything. This account is operated by three people, each of us with ties to one of the sanctioning body presidents. We ditched our previous accounts and began posting under one account since most of our posts were about sanctioning body politics. None of us talk to Paco, which is why we didn't put the WBO in our username.

[jaded]