Comments Thread For: Lomachenko Voted in as BWAA 2017 "Fighter of The Year"

[chrisJS]

Felix Diaz was robbed against Lamont Peterson and stopped the hype train for Sammy Vasquez. People were also claiming on YouTube that Felix Diaz would dominated Crawford, and that Crawford was afraid of him. Now I know that YouTube isn't a relevant source, or a decent gauge on what hardcore boxing fans were saying leading up to that fight. But it gives you a picture of what people were saying before, in comparison to what people are saying after. Once Crawford dominated Diaz, people started saying Diaz was a bum and that Crawford was suppose to win.

People were also saying that Crawford vs Indongo was the most important fight of 2017, since it was for the UNDISPUTED championship for the junior Welterweight division. But after Crawford easily destroyed Indongo, now every is discrediting Crawford's victory. Meanwhile, people are giving a ton of credit to Lomachenko for dominating the naturally smaller boxer in Rigondeaux. And while it was a great victory for Lomachenko, even he admitted that it didn't add much to his overall legacy and status as a P4P elite. But these commentators and networks want to heavily promote European fighters over black and brown fighters. Which is sad, because Lomachenko's skill set is great enough to be marketed on it's own. But people like Teddy Atlas have to keep saying he's P4P number 1 with 11 ****ing fights. Which makes no sense.

If you are going off one or two idiots on social media or YouTube then do the same for Loma-Sosa where some said Sosa would win and Rigo who many claimed would win. You are playing the victim and not looking at both sides.

Nobody serious picked Diaz or Indongo. Some serious folks picked Rigo. Rigo was the closest in odds around 4-1 the Crawford fights were both around 15-20-1 odds. I rate both wins for Crawford too as I think Diaz is very underrated but you are way off on what the views are on the fights and are taking trolls too literally against the fighter who you are arguing for but turning a blind eye to Loma. I picked Loma easy over Rigo (I said he'd lose every round and quit) but also predicted correctly what would he said afterwards by the same folks picking Rigo.

[BrianJ]

huh???????????

I was also thinking the same thing. Rigondeaux was 37 years old and past his physical prime for about 5 years.

[BrianJ]

If you are going off one or two idiots on social media or YouTube then do the same for Loma-Sosa where some said Sosa would win and Rigo who many claimed would win. You are playing the victim and not looking at both sides.

Nobody serious picked Diaz or Indongo. Some serious folks picked Rigo. Rigo was the closest in odds around 4-1 the Crawford fights were both around 15-20-1 odds. I rate both wins for Crawford too as I think Diaz is very underrated but you are way off on what the views are on the fights and are taking trolls too literally against the fighter who you are arguing for but turning a blind eye to Loma. I picked Loma easy over Rigo (I said he'd lose every round and quit) but also predicted correctly what would he said afterwards by the same folks picking Rigo.

It's not playing the victim, it's just a fact. The media and net works are trying to heavily promote European fighters over black fighters, and that's been their agenda for the last few years. They also heavily promoted Roman Gonzalez for no reason except to have somebody break Mayweather's record. Roman did nothing to become P4P number in retrospect and the media blatantly disrespected Andre Ward for no reason.

And then you have Teddy Atlas ranking Lomachenko over Terence Crawford and Andre Ward, who achieved so much more in their careers in two different weight classes.

[BrianJ]

The biggest joke award of the year goes to the midget whooping ultra cherrypicker in a yr when his only decent win was vs sosa. Its no surprise the white racist d*ksmokers are happy as fv*k about the white racist media treating lomas wins over midget bums as hall of fame worthy.

Rigondeaux was not a cherry pick. Nobody wanted to fight Rigondeaux in his weight class and was calling out all the elite fighters from 122 to 126 pounds. He was also ranked in the P4P top 10 list. So it is a great win for Lomachenko, even though Rigondeaux was the naturally smaller fighter.

[chrisJS]

It's not playing the victim, it's just a fact. The media and net works are trying to heavily promote European fighters over black fighters, and that's been their agenda for the last few years. They also heavily promoted Roman Gonzalez for no reason except to have somebody break Mayweather's record. Roman did nothing to become P4P number in retrospect and the media blatantly disrespected Andre Ward for no reason.

And then you have Teddy Atlas ranking Lomachenko over Terence Crawford and Andre Ward, who achieved so much more in their careers in two different weight classes.

That's subjective. Crawford is my favorite active fighter but I think Lomachenko has 3 better wins and some good accomplishments and milestones and he's a great fighter.

Ward had been very inactive for a long time so that is sort of a reason and then everyone thinks he lost to Kovalev in the first fight. You may not be familiar with the smaller weights but Chocolatito had been very under appreciated and got to the top of 3 divisions and defeated a very good champion in his 4th catergory. He was beating very good fighters for example Estrada is better than anyone Ward, Crawford or Loma has ever defeated.

I think you are playing the victim and perhaps have some insecurities. I think there's been plenty of black fighters who got put on a pedestal way too quickly like Broner or the way people go on about Spence who's proven next to nothing. Ward was given too much off a pass for being a dirty fighter who rarely fought for 4-5 years. Lomachenko has eye catching talent and is an active fighter who's lost maybe 1 round since the Salido fight he's also stepped up to the fights people wanted - don't forget Walters was supposed to crush him.

It's not a race thing at all. What's "Mayweathers record"? Finito Lopez was 51-0 people ignored that and Moonsri is now 49-0 and he's not being hyped up.

[HI-TECH Boxing]

Felix Diaz was robbed against Lamont Peterson and stopped the hype train for Sammy Vasquez. People were also claiming on YouTube that Felix Diaz would dominated Crawford, and that Crawford was afraid of him. Now I know that YouTube isn't a relevant source, or a decent gauge on what hardcore boxing fans were saying leading up to that fight. But it gives you a picture of what people were saying before, in comparison to what people are saying after. Once Crawford dominated Diaz, people started saying Diaz was a bum and that Crawford was suppose to win.

People were also saying that Crawford vs Indongo was the most important fight of 2017, since it was for the UNDISPUTED championship for the junior Welterweight division. But after Crawford easily destroyed Indongo, now every is discrediting Crawford's victory. Meanwhile, people are giving a ton of credit to Lomachenko for dominating the naturally smaller boxer in Rigondeaux. And while it was a great victory for Lomachenko, even he admitted that it didn't add much to his overall legacy and status as a P4P elite. But these commentators and networks want to heavily promote European fighters over black and brown fighters. Which is sad, because Lomachenko's skill set is great enough to be marketed on it's own. But people like Teddy Atlas have to keep saying he's P4P number 1 with 11 ****ing fights. Which makes no sense.

Robbed is a strong word in that case. It was a really close bout.
The win over Sammy Vasquez looks less impressive now, it wasn't even that impressive to begin with, but Collazo just beat Vasquez in an easier fashion. An older Collazo by the way.
People always find a guy to say that certain fighters are scared of. It happens to every single fighter. You should know this by now.
It's how people create story lines in their minds I guess.

I don't remember anyone saying Crawford vs. Indongo
140 was a horrible division when Crawford ruled.
Just look at his run at 140: Dulorme, Jean, Lundy, Postol, Molina, Diaz, and Indongo.
People are so quick to trash other fighters, but Crawford gets a pass with that list of opponents.

I'm willing to bet that the fighter that wins the Cruiserweight tournament won't get anywhere near the credit for unifying their division that Crawford did...
Cruiserweight>>>>>>>>>>>140 was when Crawford was there.

I bet you didn't have a problem when Crawford beat Gamboa though, right?
Crawford had an even bigger size advantage over Gamboa than Loma did over Rigo, but I remember people praising Crawford for that win. Especially back then. People are a little bit more critical now, but that's probably because others call them out on it.
Crawford had an even bigger size advantage and he still managed to get outboxed in a few rounds, lose 3-4 rounds, and get rocked a few times in the process.

By the way, Rigondeaux has always been more highly regarded than Gamboa ever was. Rigo is Cuban boxing legend. Some even say he is the greatest talent ever from Cuba. Gamboa wasn't even close to that level. That's why he avoided Rigo when they both were in Cuba.

[HI-TECH Boxing]

It's not playing the victim, it's just a fact. The media and net works are trying to heavily promote European fighters over black fighters, and that's been their agenda for the last few years. They also heavily promoted Roman Gonzalez for no reason except to have somebody break Mayweather's record. Roman did nothing to become P4P number in retrospect and the media blatantly disrespected Andre Ward for no reason.

And then you have Teddy Atlas ranking Lomachenko over Terence Crawford and Andre Ward, who achieved so much more in their careers in two different weight classes.

I'm not even a Chocolatito fan, I've actually been really critical about the guy, but I don't understand why people act like this guy came out of nowhere. Just to put down Mayweather? Listen there is negativity against Mayweather, but not everything has to do with him.

It took SEVEN years before Chocolatito finally gained some recognition in the US. People act like he came out of nowhere, but he had been fighting at the top for 7-8 years before they finally gave him a break on HBO.
Chocolatito arguably has a better resume than Ward, so...

Chocolatito wins over: Niida, Takayama, Viloria, Estrada, Rodriguez, Yaegeshi, Cuadras
Ward wins over: Abraham, Froch, Dawson, Kovalev,
then you could give him credit for Miranda, Green, Rodriguez, and Barrera, but if you do that then you have to give Chocolatito credit for some of his lesser wins not listed above.

Lomachenko already has similar numbers to Ward in several departments, so I wouldn't say Ward has achieved so much more.
Give Loma one more good year and it's already debatable as to who has accomplished more between the two.
People act like Ward fought nothing but killers in all 32 of his fights; but he didn't.
Look at Ward's run at 175: Smith (Catchweight above 168 so technically a Light-Heavyweight bout), Barrera, Brand, Kovalev 2x.
I'll take Loma's run at 130 over that, especially if he beats Berchelt before moving up. Ideally I would like to see Loma unify one or two more belts before moving up.

[Mike D]

The biggest joke award of the year goes to the midget whooping ultra cherrypicker in a yr when his only decent win was vs sosa. Its no surprise the white racist d*ksmokers are happy as fv*k about the white racist media treating lomas wins over midget bums as hall of fame worthy.

Its not even debatable that Crawford was fighter of the yr in 2017 or Ward,then you can either give it to Canelo,AJ,Ggg,then Mikey,then rungvasai if you're counting who had the best "wins". Lomachenko shouldn't even be top 5 fighter of the yr for beating a 40 yr old featherweight he made jump 2 divisions & who quit without even trying. It'll be like giving it to pac 4 beating loma in 2018 at 140 lbs... Foh

Yes we know how much racists love using"eboniks" when they assume someone is black & are pathetically attempting to troll them 4 not blowing your white master alongside them....

[MrShakeAndBake]

Yes we know how much racists love using"eboniks" when they assume someone is black & are pathetically attempting to troll them 4 not blowing your white master alongside them....

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[Bronx2245]

I agree, hes acting like if he beat Pacquiao people wont give him credit, but thats bs because most people think he beat Jeff Horn and hes only really lost to Floyd and a roided up marquez who he had already beat twice. He has the oplortunity to fight him now wheras of he waits Crawford will likely fight him in the fall and win and then a fight with Pacquiao will really not be realistic for Loma. I hate to say it but I think Loma is worried about the weight difference. Pacquiao is used to schooling bigger guys so imagine what he would do to fighters his own size. I still think Loma wins if they can do a catchweight in the middle at 137-139, it would be a big ppv and hed be fighting on ppv from then on if he won. Changing of the guard fights happen its tradition, Hopkins - Joe Smith, Oscar DLH-Pacquiao, Ali-Holmes, Holmes Tyson ect.

I agree 100%!