Is Lomachenko the fastest and most athletic white boxer ever?

[darius45]

Yes, he's very athletic and also an intelligent guy. BUT, I'm talking about his boxing. He doesn't rely on athleticism in his boxing, he's just got sick technique and I've predicted that he will be able to have a long career (if he chooses) because the things he relies on (technique and intelligence) don't fade like athleticism does.

That other guy sees him doing flips and doesn't understand that it doesn't mean Loma is athletic as a boxer. Loma doesn't do the unbalanced type of 'athletic' things we used to see Pac do. He could, but he doesn't need to because he's got the science mastered.

Loma sets things up masterfully with his technique but his ability to execute the technique quickly and naturally is DUE to his athleticism. It's not like Loma doesn't ever look flashy like Floyd or Roy. Just because Loma looks like he's fighting more traditionally doesn't mean he isn't flashy.

[jmrf4435]

I'm a huge Loma fan, but PFP he isn't as athletic as prime Roy. Nor do I think he's as athletic as Prime Floyd. Loma does not launch quick, powerful left hooks from a damn near stand still or has shown to have that rare combination of explosive speed and power that Roy had. P4P Roy is also a harder puncher (which probably allowed him to move up in weight).

But this thread isn't about Loma vs Floyd or Roy... The question is, has there ever been a more athletic and faster WHITE fighter. I can't think of any.

I think you are completely wrong though. Loma has every athletic attribute you can list except maybe DEVASTATING 1 punch KO power. He just doesn't rely on his athleticism to win

He's extremely coordinated and can stop his opponents basically when he wants. He uses both hands equally well.

I think he has better stamina than roy as well, PFP speaking.


Have you seen his handstand workouts?? Thats some gymnastic type body control.

[darius45]

I think you are completely wrong though. Loma has every athletic attribute you can list except maybe DEVASTATING 1 punch KO power. He just doesn't rely on his athleticism to win

He's extremely coordinated and can stop his opponents basically when he wants. He uses both hands equally well.

I think he has better stamina than roy as well, PFP speaking.


Have you seen his handstand workouts?? Thats some gymnastic type body control.

Like I said, he doesn't have the same LEVEL of explosive speed as Roy. Roy, with his hands down, launching devastating left hooks from a stand still. Not even Floyd could do what Roy did. Roy once said in an interview, when asked what he thought of Floyd's speed, that he thought he was fast but he (Roy) was 10 percent faster.

Roy in his Prime never gassed so stamina isn't even a question (and really never is amongst elite fighters). People can learn to do that hand stand stuff. The sort of explosive speed Roy had is genetically predetermined.

[D4thincarnation]

What are you describing as "athletic"? I see him as being highly technique-driven. "Athletic" tends to describe guys like Roy and Pacquiao who do unusual things which rely on physical gifts more than technique. The things Loma does now, he should be able to do in 5, or even 10 years because they are rooted in technique, not athleticism.
No, Loma is not the most athletic white boxer ever.

Hand speed
Agility
Reflexes
Foot speed

All athletic traists

Just because he is technically blessed as well it does not take away his athletic attributes.

[D4thincarnation]

A 37 year old Rigondeaux coming up 2 weight classes wasn't faded?

Did Rigo have one fight in 3 years and doing lines of coke whilst dressing up in women's clothing?

[RedZmaja]

For me, athleticism in boxing revolves around having great cardio. That's why I think Carl Froch for example was a type of boxer who relied on athleticism. Having a cardio like he had is a rare athletic gift. Americans focus too much on speed and agility, in reality cardio is more important for fighting. If you have great cardio and solid chin you're going to be a nightmare even if you're not a good technical fighter.

If I were a top level boxer in next life and could choose one athletic gift, it would be endless cardio. Very hard to beat a cardio freak.

Even if you have the speed of Roy Jones you still need to have some sort of technique and experience to use it. Elite cardio and unlimited gas tank combined with a solid chin is the only trait that can get you far even if you suck technically. Case in point, Margarito.

[Redd Foxx]

Loma sets things up masterfully with his technique but his ability to execute the technique quickly and naturally is DUE to his athleticism. It's not like Loma doesn't ever look flashy like Floyd or Roy. Just because Loma looks like he's fighting more traditionally doesn't mean he isn't flashy.

Hand speed
Agility
Reflexes
Foot speed

All athletic traists

Just because he is technically blessed as well it does not take away his athletic attributes.

You guys are describing traits that all boxers must have because they are athletes. Yes, he is an athlete, all boxers are. What I'm talking about here is the context and the things that separate someone who is highly technique driven vs someone who relies on athleticism in absence of solid technique. This is kind of an old topic in the sport and I'm surprised that people here act unfamiliar with it.

[D4thincarnation]

You guys are describing traits that all boxers must have because they are athletes. Yes, he is an athlete, all boxers are. What I'm talking about here is the context and the things that separate someone who is highly technique driven vs someone who relies on athleticism in absence of solid technique. This is kind of an old topic in the sport and I'm surprised that people here act unfamiliar with it.

All boxers have that, and they are all athletic traits.
But the point is Loma is has those traits in abundance

Great hand speed
Great Agility
Great Foot speed
Great Reflexes.

His technique does not take away from these attributes.

They are not mutually exclusive, you seem to be struggling with this very simple concept.

[boliodogs]

I get it. The race warriors claim 97G and Loma as white because there are no great white boxers for them to root for. Doesn't make either guy white.

You sound like a dedicated race warrior yourself. Do you root for Ward? His father was white. Are you sure Mayweather doesn't carry some white blood? Would he still be your TBE if you found out he did?

[iNixus]

Fastest i think so, Athletic i'd give it to Beterbiev imo he's a monster in normal shape.