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Have no problem with anybody's resume being scrutinized. I personally don't like to debate anything involving "ever" as I haven't been alive forever. I think what Floyd accomplished is the most impressive of any boxer in the 30 years I've been closely following boxing and when you scrutinize his record, it actually becomes more impressive.
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I beg to differ. So we can agree to disagree on this one. The more I scrutinize his record, the timing of when he fought certain opponents, and the ones missing on his resume at particular junctures of his career, the more holes I find in it and the more overrated it becomes.Comment
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Look at his welterweight & super welterweight title run for a decade straight starting with Zab Judah. Can you name another fighter in those weight classes with a more impressive undefeated streak for that decade?
Going through Judah, Baldomir, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez, Mosley, Ortiz, Cotto, Guerrero, Canelo, Maidana twice, Pacquiao and Berto?
Is there another welterweight in the world that went undefeated through that kind of gauntlet during that time period? Unifying two weight classes along the way?
If the resume is so over rated, then name the fighter during that time period that could have done the same thing?Comment
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Judah: we all know Judah was not an elite level fighter. It was a good win for Floyd because he was losing the first half of the fight but made the necessary adjustments to win, but lets face it, it was Judah--who was coming off of a loss to Baldomir.
Baldomir: had 9 losses going into that fight, that's all that needs to be said.
DLH: was not prime. He was at end the end of his career. I scored the fight 115-113 for DLH, as did one of the judges.
Hatton: another smaller fighter coming up. Hatton was never elite either. Good fighter, but Joe Cortez wouldn't allow Hatton to get inside, which was the only chance he had of beating Floyd.
Marquez: coming up over two weight classes while drinking his own urine. Floyd set a catch weight for the fight and never bothered to honor it, and then refused to be weighed on day of fight. JMM was clearly outsized and went back to LW after the loss.
Mosley: past his prime and had been calling out Floyd since 135. This has been argued ad nauseam, so I won't belabor the point. Regardless, he didn't catch Mosley at his best.
Ortiz: the cheap shot heard 'round the world, enough said about that. Not to mention he was an over-hyped product of Floyd's PR/Marketing machine.
Cotto: was damaged goods after brutal beatings by Margarito and Pac. Floyd waited him out like he did Pac, Mosley and others. Good win, but not a great win. Cotto also showed considerable improvement under Roach later on.
Guerrero: see Ortiz. Another B-rate hype job who was marketed as a legit threat, when most real fans knew he didn't stand a chance.
Canelo: not at his best. He is an improved fighter since his loss to Floyd. Prior to Floyd his biggest win was Trout. Floyd was a huge step up in talent. He also fought Canelo at a CW.
Maidana: a cherry-pick that went wrong. Remember Floyd asked his fans to choose his next opponent, while only giving them Khan and Maidana as choices? Fans overwhelmingly chose Khan, but Floyd went with Maidana instead--the guy that Khan had already beaten. I had Maidana winning the first fight. Threw twice as many punches and supposedly only landed 9 less than Floyd. The rematch saw Floyd crying to his favorite ref along with point deductions, even though Floyd was doing some dirty work of his own. B1tch move.
Pacquiao: The fight that Floyd himself admits he "marinated" for 5 years! After all the ducking, excuses and moving the goal post, he finally confesses that he marinated the fight and wants credit for being smart about it. When in reality he waited Pac out until he was well past his best. He also had help from an unauthorized IV. Sketchy.
Berto: see Ortiz. Another B-rate fighter who was cherry-picked over Thurman, Garcia, Porter, rematch with Pac, Khan, etc.Comment
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Nah, you're reading too much between the lines and there's no ill intent on my part. I've been a supporter of MM pretty much throughout his whole career. If you read my other post I say 'in addition to his ability in the ring' he's been well managed. Being well managed is not a negative thing, its crucial to success, timing is everything, peaking at the right time, playing to your strengths, it's part of the game.
In most of his fights there was a chasm of skill between him and opponent, but by being smart he also played his best cards. He was never going to fight Canelo at his full weight and peak for instance, but the result would have probably been the same, just that mentally it was card he could play, so he did. Also, fighting him before he got more experience, was a good move. Because later he would be more problematic. imho opinion Canelo right now vs prime Money would be the same result for Mayweather, but a current Canelo vs current Mayweather would be a much tougher fight, his team saw that, they are smart.
I'm far from a hater, I don't hate on anyone.Comment
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