Why Floyd envies Lomachenko

[THEFRESHBRAWLER]

“You’re in your feelings like a b1tch” ������ wtf does that mean??? I guess you and Floyd have something in common cause that dumb mother****er can’t read or write properly either.����
So you respect a man who beats the mother of his chidren in front of his own children? ������������
And you think Floyd is TBE������ get real, boxing didn’t start in 2007 kid. Learn your history son.
There’s only one REAL TBE and his name is Sugar Ray Robinson, he’d have beaten Floyd worse than another “Sugar” beat his crackhead father.
TBE doe����
Undefeated doe����
Back to screaming “TBE!” with the rest of the TMT cult for you, you sad b*stard

You know what it mean puśsy. Gtfoh with them gày àss emojis lol. Only females write like that. He’d beat you in front of your children too. I shouldn’t even be responding to a weirdo like you. You just joined boxingscene to talk about Floydnlol

[GhostofDempsey]

I wasn't "on Dempsey." I was just asking why the big problem with you seems to be that Mayweahter is "classless" but you admire Dempsey. I think you've wrote a sensational piece to try to make Mayweather appear as nasty as you could. Kudos to that!

He had an altercation with the mother of one of his children. Happens all of the time. What is NOT normal is abusing a woman. Not sure how much he abused her, but how about Dempsey who broke his wife's jaw? No, this was not from his manager.



So you seem to have a double standard there, buddy. Or did you believe that she really tripped over a doorframe, and Dempsey had no idea why she left him and never came back after her being so clumbsy?

Racist, sexist and ****phobic hatred??? Dudeeeee!!!!










So yea, like I was saying, that's not too uncommon. Floyd is a product of his time, man. Isn't that what you said about Dempsey? Well in this time and age, it seems people might say things like that. If you doubt it, look up again.

As for racism, I'm sure Dempsey never said anything racist, though he was a product of his time. He just refused to face another black man in the ring since the last time a black man broke 3 of his ribs and was "awarded" with a controversial draw in a fight that most thought Dempsey lost. I'm not going to comment on the things people say he has said in the past. You're right that it's hearsay, so I'll leave that alone.

Lack of respect towards opponents? Dempsey LOADED HIS GLOVES! AND THIS CAME FROM THE MAN WHO WRAPPED HIS GLOVES, NOT HIS MANAGER.




Come on, man. Do you see my point? You go around railing and railing on Mayweather as if he beat on your mother or something. But the dude you worship was no saint, and if you're going to say that he's a product of the times, then extend the same deal to Mayweather. You talk about the dude like he was a vile serial killer, yet there are actual rumous about Jack Dempsey being "a professional rapist of ******* who would then be sent to brothels." I'm not saying that's true because I don't know, but come on dude. Your hate just seems odd when you admire Dempsey, you have to admit.

If you just dislike Mayweather's boxing style and you enjoyed Dempseys more, that's all good! I'm just wondering why all the extra?


Oh, and the era of trashtalking opponents in boxing was probably made most popular by the great Ali. Come on, man. Stop pretending you don't know this game just to fit your agenda. They are promoting the fight! For God's Sake, people seemed to enjoy McGregor out trashtalking Mayweather as much as the fight. It's dumb as ****, but that's the game. What would Tyson be without trashtalk???

Where is your source that Dempsey broke his wife's jaw?

You do realize that Dempsey's wife was an opportunist and trying to scalp him for his money right? Kearns had promised her $40K to back off of Dempsey while he was training for the Willard fight. She agreed, and then after the fight Kearns screwed her over and never gave her that money. She proceeded to smear Dempsey in any way she could. So again, share your source for Dempsey breaking her jaw.

Dempsey never loaded his gloves, as I explained to you in another thread, it was already disproven. Kearns was the one who started that lie. Both Dempsey and Willard's wraps were inspected prior to the fight and after. Also, the way in which Kearns described how he plastered the gloves was also disproven. A Milwaukee journal investigative team duplicated the exact method in which Kearns describes in his book, and low and behold, the plaster crumbled into powder at the slightest touch, there was no way it would have held up in a fight.

Dempsey fought black fighters, and hired them as sparring partners too. Dempsey had in fact signed a contract for the Wills fight. Wills was promised an advance of $50K to sign the contract, which he did and he received his money. Dempsey demanded a $1M payment for the fight and wanted $300K up front. He signed the contract, held on to it until payment was received. Next day, he gets a check for $25K which was clearly not enough and not what was agreed upon. He had the guy walk with him into the bank and sure enough, the check was bad. Dempsey told him to come back when he had the $300K that was promised. They never delivered so he tore up the contract.

Truth is, Wills was made for Dempsey. He was a big, slow HW, and just right for Dempsey. But just like your hero Floyd, the money had to be right or there was no fight.

You have no proof that Dempsey was a racist, yet we have proof of Floyd making slurs against Asians and whites. We have testimony from several different women about his physical abuse. The man who dedicated his fight with Corrales to all the battered women out there was a serial abuser himself. He didn't just have an altercation with his baby-mama, he beat her in front of his children and traumatized his own kids. He assaulted his own security guard. He was grinding on Brundrage's wife at ringside like a dog, which in the 21st century is considered sexual assault.

I find it odd that you enter these Mayweather threads to defend him at all costs. You dismiss his behavior as trying to promote a fight--as if he is just putting on an act. Mayweather is a classless individual. Waving money in everyone's face is not the act of a confident, respectful, mature man. It is, to say the least, in poor taste to even discuss money in mixed company. But, he defines the value of a human being by the digits in their bank account. I and many other boxing fans reserve the right to dislike him for his actions in and out of the ring.

My dislike of Mayweather has nothing to do with being a fan of any of his opponents. I never cared for his style of fighting and I don't like him as a person. I'm not sure why you take that so personally. I certainly won't defend Dempsey to the death. He was a flawed individual, but he was important to boxing because he launched it into the mainstream. He paved the way for future champions of all races by elevating the sport. As time went on he evolved into a better man. Floyd in contrast has hurt the sport. He still hasn't grown up and evolved. He is still that bitter, classless, disrespectful coward who abuses women, disrespects other athletes, and he's an arrogant bore. Cheer him on all you want, but don't act as though he hasn't earned the criticism of many boxing fans.

[PensionKiller]

The fact that Floyd even tweeted Loma shows that he is scared to fight him.

Floyd would win 7-5 at 147 via robbery. Skills pay the bills and Loma is better. Floyd only has height advantage

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

You know what it mean puśsy. Gtfoh with them gày àss emojis lol. Only females write like that. He’d beat you in front of your children too. I shouldn’t even be responding to a weirdo like you. You just joined boxingscene to talk about Floydnlol

I joined boxing scene to talk about Floyd😭😭😭😭
You constantly post about him you sad b*stard! You’ve posted like 50 statements about your hero in this thread alone.
And I’m the weirdo😂😂
Bro your the type of guy who’s only type of relationship is ******* off to your favourite ****star (or Floyd) every night.
Anyway it’s NYE, and cause I have a social life, I’m off out in a few hours so I’ll see what dumb*ss **** you respond with in the morning.
TBE doe😭😭😭😭😭😭

[travestyny]

It's like you didn't read anything I wrote.

Where is your source that Dempsey broke his wife's jaw?

You do realize that Dempsey's wife was an opportunist and trying to scalp him for his money right? Kearns had promised her $40K to back off of Dempsey while he was training for the Willard fight. She agreed, and then after the fight Kearns screwed her over and never gave her that money. She proceeded to smear Dempsey in any way she could. So again, share your source for Dempsey breaking her jaw.

I gave you the quotation.

According to Herbert G. Goldman, former editor of Boxing Illustrated, Dempsey was more than just a star-crossed lover. “The rumor was that he had been a pimp for Maxine between fights and that he married her to avoid prosecution under the Mann Act,” Goldman told The Denver Post in 1995. “In his autobiographies, he tries to portray himself as a love-struck kid who didn’t know she was a ********** until after he was married. Will somebody please give me a break? He met her on Salt Lake City’s Commercial Street, which was the city’s red-light district. He was no innocent boy. He had been on his own for at least five years, living and fighting in the Wild West towns that existed mainly so that cowboys and miners could drink, play poker and get laid. In his autobiography, Jack wrote that he couldn’t understand why Maxine left him. The reason is that she was scared ****less of Dempsey because he dislocated her ****ing jaw.”

https://thecruelestsport.com/2015/06...willard-fight/

In his autobiography, I believe, he says that she tripped over a doorframe and that he doesn't know why she left him after that incident and never came back. This is common sense.

Dempsey never loaded his gloves, as I explained to you in another thread, it was already disproven. Kearns was the one who started that lie. Both Dempsey and Willard's wraps were inspected prior to the fight and after. Also, the way in which Kearns described how he plastered the gloves was also disproven. A Milwaukee journal investigative team duplicated the exact method in which Kearns describes in his book, and low and behold, the plaster crumbled into powder at the slightest touch, there was no way it would have held up in a fight.

Again, you didn't read anything I wrote. This was NOT about the plaster of paris accusation. It was about tape that hardened. It was revealed by the New York Times as well. I've shown you this already:

“When I handled Kid McCoy I used to bandage his hands with a certain kind of adhesive tape. As soon as McCoy drew on the gloves, the tape hardened and, as a re*sult, he was able to inflict unusual punish*ment. I wound Dempsey's hands with the same kind of bandages, which Willard in*spected. The story that Dempsey wore alumi*num pads over his knuckles is a lie. His bandages became hardened, no doubt, and that was why he cut Willard's face to ribbons.”

The mention of “aluminum pads” would seem to indicate that there must have been some su****ion even then of destructive foreign substances inside Dempsey's gloves. The discredited Kearns tells a discredited story with his plaster of paris. But the DeForest tale of “a certain kind of adhesive tape” sounds both plausible and logical. How else could a single punch splinter a cheek*bone into 13 pieces?

http://www.nytimes.com/1964/02/09/sp...the-times.html

Dempsey fought black fighters, and hired them as sparring partners too. Dempsey had in fact signed a contract for the Wills fight. Wills was promised an advance of $50K to sign the contract, which he did and he received his money. Dempsey demanded a $1M payment for the fight and wanted $300K up front. He signed the contract, held on to it until payment was received. Next day, he gets a check for $25K which was clearly not enough and not what was agreed upon. He had the guy walk with him into the bank and sure enough, the check was bad. Dempsey told him to come back when he had the $300K that was promised. They never delivered so he tore up the contract.

This is what I have:

" But after Dempsey took the title from Willard in 1919, Harry Wills was hard to ignore, and that put matters into the lap of Tex Rickard, the main promoter of major boxing matches at the time. At first Rickard sidestepped Wills by saying his priority in finding challengers for Dempsey was a fighter who could help produce the first million-dollar gate. So Dempsey's first defense was in 1920 against the popular French fighter Georges Carpentier. Dempsey beat him easily, and Rickard got his million-dollar gate. Wills never could have drawn that kind of crowd, Rickard claimed. This was a conclusion that was just fine with Dempsey's manager, Doc Kearns, who wasn't crazy about his guy going up against Wills. Nevertheless, Wills was plainly a contender. On March 12, 1922, the Daily News ran a flattering full-page profile of him: "The clean life led by Harry Wills commends him to every respectable citizen. Surely a credit to his profession, and there ought not be any opposition to a meeting between him and the great white champion, Jack Dempsey. What do you say, boxing fans?

" The fans said they wanted the fight. AND SEVERAL promoters were eager to make it. But Rickard matched Dempsey in 1923 with Argentina's Luis Angel Firpo, the "Wild Bull of the Pampas," whose primary credential was a character so colorful, it almost glowed in the dark. Wills' manager, Paddy Mullins, found this so frustrating that on Aug. 29 he called a press conference to say that because Dempsey clearly would not fight Wills, he had no choice but to unilaterally declare Harry world champion. After Dempsey clocked the Wild Bull in two rounds, other promoters tried to set up a Wills match. A Midwestern syndicate got everyone's name on a contract, with a $50,000 retainer for Wills, before Dempsey's camp bailed out. The New York State Boxing Commission also wanted a Wills-Dempsey fight. So one night when he knew Dempsey would be at the Garden, Commissioner James Farley brought Wills over to shake his hand. They exchanged a brief cordial greeting and parted. "At last Wills and Dempsey meet," the papers wrote the next day. Rickard was furious, calling the shake a cheap setup. Still, Rickard felt the pressure, and in March 1924 he signed Wills to what he hoped would be a poison-pill contract: He would meet Dempsey in September, provided he beat two or three other fighters, including Firpo, in the intervening six months. Only the Firpo fight came off, and it took Wills 12 rounds to beat the Wild Bull - which strongly suggested the Rickard/Kearns delaying strategy had worked. Whatever threat Wills had posed to Dempsey in 1920 was gone by 1924. Not that it mattered. "I don't expect ever to meet Dempsey in the ring," said a resigned Wills. "He has been dodging me for many years and now I am convinced he has been kidding all along.

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/...ticle-1.515138

Truth is, Wills was made for Dempsey. He was a big, slow HW, and just right for Dempsey. But just like your hero Floyd, the money had to be right or there was no fight.

I wouldn't expect you to say anything less than "Wills was made for Dempsey." From the above, it seems like he didn't care to prove it. If the money had to be right, then it's good that you won't be using that as an excuse to hate on Floyd I suppose.

You have no proof that Dempsey was a racist,

I've never ever said he was a racist.

yet we have proof of Floyd making slurs against Asians and whites. We have testimony from several different women about his physical abuse. The man who dedicated his fight with Corrales to all the battered women out there was a serial abuser himself. He didn't just have an altercation with his baby-mama, he beat her in front of his children and traumatized his own kids. He assaulted his own security guard. He was grinding on Brundrage's wife at ringside like a dog, which in the 21st century is considered sexual assault.

LMAO. Dude. I see you backed out of the ****phobic remarks for some odd reason. Something that you yourself were guilty of. You're really so hurt that Mayweather said he was going to have Pacquiao cook his some dog, yet it doesn't bother you that Dempsey was said to **** ******* and send them to whore houses. Dude. Your boy wasn't squeeky clean and if they had the media back then that they had now, I'm certain you would be surprised. And you keep bringing up this thing about the security guard. Do you mean him poking him in the head? Grinding on Bundrage's wife? Never heard that one but ok. It's not quite grinding on ******* and sending them to whore houses, but ok. lol

I find it odd that you enter these Mayweather threads to defend him at all costs.

I'm merely pointing out that your assessment seems very warped. Dempsey's coach admitted to him loading the gloves, everyone knows Dempsey broke his wife's jaw, Wills told you himself that he was ducked by Dempsey for years, these are all things that you seem to make excuses for at all costs for Dempsey, yet you are in every Mayweather thread ragging on him for his issues. After you state your piece, people comment on it, and your rebuttal is that they defend Floyd at all costs. Realize that you are very biased against the man for some odd reason. Your hate for him goes above and beyond.

You dismiss his behavior as trying to promote a fight--as if he is just putting on an act. Mayweather is a classless individual. Waving money in everyone's face is not the act of a confident, respectful, mature man. It is, to say the least, in poor taste to even discuss money in mixed company. But, he defines the value of a human being by the digits in their bank account. I and many other boxing fans reserve the right to dislike him for his actions in and out of the ring.

Sure, you are welcome to dislike him for his persona. But it is a persona. Again, it's clearly played up to some degree to promote fights. He's far from perfect, but pretending as if he is the antichrist is a bit overboard, bro.

My dislike of Mayweather has nothing to do with being a fan of any of his opponents. I never cared for his style of fighting and I don't like him as a person. I'm not sure why you take that so personally.

LOL. I don't! But I was curious to hear why you hate him so much. I'm curious. How much do you hate Mike Tyson?

I certainly won't defend Dempsey to the death. He was a flawed individual, but he was important to boxing because he launched it into the mainstream. He paved the way for future champions of all races by elevating the sport.

Come on. You dared go there???? HE WOULDN'T FACE A BLACK FIGHTER AFTER BECOMING CHAMPION. HE WOULDN'T FACE A BLACK FIGHTER AFTER ONE BROKE 3 OF HIS RIBS AND SOMEHOW ONLY GOT A DRAW FOR A FIGHT THAT MOST BELIEVED HE WON. Why would you even go there? lol

And I think Boxing was pretty "mainstream" when Jack Johnson had people going crazy trying to get the title back to the whites. Maybe you mean more whites were digging it because a black man didn't have the title anymore?

As time went on he evolved into a better man. Floyd in contrast has hurt the sport. He still hasn't grown up and evolved. He is still that bitter, classless, disrespectful coward who abuses women, disrespects other athletes, and he's an arrogant bore. Cheer him on all you want, but don't act as though he hasn't earned the criticism of many boxing fans.

LMAO. If anyone hasn't seen Floyd Mayweather mature over the years, they are being dishonest. It's like your saying he's still going around "beating up hoes and cursing out people" when I haven't heard anything about this dude other than he's been traveling. Most of his recent interviews seem very normal and unlike the "money" persona. I don't know what the issue is.

And saying that he hurt boxing when he has the most watched fights in boxing history is warped. For you to say the best fighter of the generation and the boxer who made the largest boxing events in history hurt boxing??? lol

That's like saying Micheal Jackson hurt pop music.

[THEFRESHBRAWLER]

I joined boxing scene to talk about Floyd��������
You constantly post about him you sad b*stard! You’ve posted like 50 statements about your hero in this thread alone.

^^He can barely write and obviously can’t count either. Like I said you’re a WEIRDO. Bye girl with your gày emojis. Only person on here that uses emojis lmao fàgg. You new around here stay in your place girl

[THEFRESHBRAWLER]

The fact that Floyd even tweeted Loma shows that he is scared to fight him.

Floyd would win 7-5 at 147 via robbery. Skills pay the bills and Loma is better. Floyd only has height advantage

Floyd didn’t tweet Lomachenco.. lomachenco teeeted him lmaoooooo. So by your logic Lomachenco is scared of him. He faster, smarter, and stronger than Loma wtf are you smoking. Floyd was killing at 135. Loma does a lot of pity pat

[PensionKiller]

Floyd didn’t tweet Lomachenco.. lomachenco teeeted him lmaoooooo. So by your logic Lomachenco is scared of him. He faster, smarter, and stronger than Loma wtf are you smoking. Floyd was killing at 135. Loma does a lot of pity pat

I am joking

[Mr. 29K]

A billionaire envies a drunk Russian bum that got his ass kicked by Salido??? Lmfao. Keep drinking that vodka, Vitali

[GhostofDempsey]

It's like you didn't read anything I wrote.



I gave you the quotation.



In his autobiography, I believe, he says that she tripped over a doorframe and that he doesn't know why she left him after that incident and never came back. This is common sense.



Again, you didn't read anything I wrote. This was NOT about the plaster of paris accusation. It was about tape that hardened. It was revealed by the New York Times as well. I've shown you this already:





This is what I have:






I wouldn't expect you to say anything less than "Wills was made for Dempsey." From the above, it seems like he didn't care to prove it. If the money had to be right, then it's good that you won't be using that as an excuse to hate on Floyd I suppose.



I've never ever said he was a racist.



LMAO. Dude. I see you backed out of the ****phobic remarks for some odd reason. Something that you yourself were guilty of. You're really so hurt that Mayweather said he was going to have Pacquiao cook his some dog, yet it doesn't bother you that Dempsey was said to **** ******* and send them to whore houses. Dude. Your boy wasn't squeeky clean and if they had the media back then that they had now, I'm certain you would be surprised. And you keep bringing up this thing about the security guard. Do you mean him poking him in the head? Grinding on Bundrage's wife? Never heard that one but ok. It's not quite grinding on ******* and sending them to whore houses, but ok. lol



I'm merely pointing out that your assessment seems very warped. Dempsey's coach admitted to him loading the gloves, everyone knows Dempsey broke his wife's jaw, Wills told you himself that he was ducked by Dempsey for years, these are all things that you seem to make excuses for at all costs for Dempsey, yet you are in every Mayweather thread ragging on him for his issues. After you state your piece, people comment on it, and your rebuttal is that they defend Floyd at all costs. Realize that you are very biased against the man for some odd reason. Your hate for him goes above and beyond.



Sure, you are welcome to dislike him for his persona. But it is a persona. Again, it's clearly played up to some degree to promote fights. He's far from perfect, but pretending as if he is the antichrist is a bit overboard, bro.




LOL. I don't! But I was curious to hear why you hate him so much. I'm curious. How much do you hate Mike Tyson?



Come on. You dared go there???? HE WOULDN'T FACE A BLACK FIGHTER AFTER BECOMING CHAMPION. HE WOULDN'T FACE A BLACK FIGHTER AFTER ONE BROKE 3 OF HIS RIBS AND SOMEHOW ONLY GOT A DRAW FOR A FIGHT THAT MOST BELIEVED HE WON. Why would you even go there? lol

And I think Boxing was pretty "mainstream" when Jack Johnson had people going crazy trying to get the title back to the whites. Maybe you mean more whites were digging it because a black man didn't have the title anymore?




LMAO. If anyone hasn't seen Floyd Mayweather mature over the years, they are being dishonest. It's like your saying he's still going around "beating up hoes and cursing out people" when I haven't heard anything about this dude other than he's been traveling. Most of his recent interviews seem very normal and unlike the "money" persona. I don't know what the issue is.

And saying that he hurt boxing when he has the most watched fights in boxing history is warped. For you to say the best fighter of the generation and the boxer who made the largest boxing events in history hurt boxing??? lol

That's like saying Micheal Jackson hurt pop music.

So your entire argument is hinged upon a rumor.

"According to Herbert G. Goldman, former editor of Boxing Illustrated, Dempsey was more than just a star-crossed lover. “The rumor was that he had been a pimp for Maxine between..."


Dempsey's autobiography doesn't mention a broken jaw. Perhaps another book of rumors that you never read speaks to a doorjam excuse.

Interesting that you source Carlos Acevedo's article which is absent of any real facts that can be proven...since he is the same Acevedo who insists that Mayweather is shrewd at selecting opponents when they are at their most vulnerable...in other words, not at their best. So is Acevedo's word still gold?

The problem here is that I have already acknowledged Dempsey was no angel. particularly in his youth before becoming a world champion. You on the other hand, will continue to make excuses for 40 year old Mayweather who hasn't changed his ways and is still an arrogant, self-absorbed distraction to the sport. Like the narcissist that he is he goes out of his way to disrespect Joshua, Loma, GGG and any fighter who poses a threat to the spotlight he is addicted to.

You said Dempsey ducked black fighters--to which he admits he only avoided ONE, that was a much more seasoned and experienced Sam Langford--so why would he admit he avoided Langford yet lie about Wills? Harry Wills was nothing special, but just like Floyd, if the money isn't there, then there is no fight, stop the double standard. You also think Floyd didn't duck any fighters in their prime even when faced with very suspect choices of opponents. Acevedo even acknowledges Floyd's cherry-picking ways. But he's only telling the truth when he speaks of Dempsey, not Floyd right?

Dempsey elevated the sport, beyond anything that Jack Johnson could have accomplished--Johnson, the guy who got KTFO by Jess Willard and then lied about taking a dive in the 26th round. Meanwhile, Floyd exploited the sport. We now have fighters who are afraid to take on the best because they saw how Floyd could get rich with low-risk/high-reward fights. Cashing in on faded names, waiting for top talent to fade, hyping up B-rate fighters, and hinging their legacy on being undefeated.