Why did Ortiz choose to fight Wilder over Joshua?

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That would have been an acceptable stance for a fighter that hadn't been claiming he'd fight anyone in the divisions above and was still trying to make fights up at the weight months before.

GGG never said he would fight anybody in a higher division, whenever they wanted it, even when there were much better paying fights in his own division.

Months before, he hadn't signed to fight Lemieux and been gauranteed a fight with the winner of Canelo/Cotto next by the WBC.

Whatever .. the situation between AJ and Ortiz was nothing like the one between GGG and Ward. That clown should never have brought it up in this thread.

[Rubber Ducky]

Building Ortiz’s profile by fighting who? Dave Allen😂😂
Hearn never had any interest in fighting Ortiz, the only way that fight was happening was if it was a forced mandatory. Saying and Doing are very different, your another one of these guys who’s been ****** in by Hearn’s car salesmen BS.

Hearn is straight forward with his plans GTFOH😭😭😭
He said there was a good chance Wilder vs Whyte would happen on Feb 3 instead he’s given us Chamberlain vs Okollie😭😭😭
The man is a habitual liar, he’s full of ****, but don’t take my word for it- go watch him in a live interview on tha boxing voice where Wilder and Shelly Finkel EXPOSE him as a LIAR.
If you honestly think Hearn is a straight forward guy your insane and beyond help. Go and ask REAL boxing men like Goodwin, Hobson, Ayling, McGuigan, Hatton etc etc what they think of Hearn. He’s a lying, money grabbing c*nt just like his father and that ain’t hating kid that’s just the TRUTH.

That Allen fight did more to raise Ortiz's profile in the UK than any fight before or after. You think casuals know who Ortiz fought recently? I don't think they have a clue.

Hearn can only lead the horse to water he can't make that horse drink, especially when that horse is actually a chicken. Hearn offered Wilder a record purse about 3 times his average payday. $3 mill plus whatever Wilder made from US tv. Wilder of course did what he did with the Joshua fight and priced himself out. He wanted $7-10 million to fight Whyte lol. Fights Washington for 900k but wants $7-10 mill for Whyte. What a joke.

Of course Hearns rivals will say **** about Hearn, they're his rivals you muppet.

Wilder is a joke of a champion. He's ducked so many fighter it's laughable.

Povetkin offers him $10 mill after he wins the belt, Finkel says no. Finkel also says he isn't ready for Wlad and so Wlad instead has to fight Jennings in his first fight in the US in 7 years to try and build a Wilder fight. But Wilder keeps on ducking.

Wilder offers Hughie Fury a fight on 3rd Aug 2015, gives Hughie a 4 week camp. Peter Fury says they need 7-8 weeks. Wilder never replies and fights Duhaupas 7.5 weeks after his offer to Hughie. They never though Hughie would say yes, but when he called their bluff they ducked him by saying it had to be 4 weeks which of course was a lie.

Chisora calls Wilder out, Wilder goes into hiding.

Wilder says he'll be ring side for Joshua/Wlad to let the winner know he wants them next. After Joshua/Wlad does he call out Joshua? Nope he calls out Bellew and Parker.

Parker responds to call out and Duco events contact Wilder's people, what happens, you guessed it, no fight.

Only reason Wilder/Ortiz may happen is because Ortiz signed with Haymon and Ortiz has looked like an old man in recent fights.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

That Allen fight did more to raise Ortiz's profile in the UK than any fight before or after. You think casuals know who Ortiz fought recently? I don't think they have a clue.

Hearn can only lead the horse to water he can't make that horse drink, especially when that horse is actually a chicken. Hearn offered Wilder a record purse about 3 times his average payday. $3 mill plus whatever Wilder made from US tv. Wilder of course did what he did with the Joshua fight and priced himself out. He wanted $7-10 million to fight Whyte lol. Fights Washington for 900k but wants $7-10 mill for Whyte. What a joke.

Of course Hearns rivals will say **** about Hearn, they're his rivals you muppet.

Wilder is a joke of a champion. He's ducked so many fighter it's laughable.

Povetkin offers him $10 mill after he wins the belt, Finkel says no. Finkel also says he isn't ready for Wlad and so Wlad instead has to fight Jennings in his first fight in the US in 7 years to try and build a Wilder fight. But Wilder keeps on ducking.

Wilder offers Hughie Fury a fight on 3rd Aug 2015, gives Hughie a 4 week camp. Peter Fury says they need 7-8 weeks. Wilder never replies and fights Duhaupas 7.5 weeks after his offer to Hughie. They never though Hughie would say yes, but when he called their bluff they ducked him by saying it had to be 4 weeks which of course was a lie.

Chisora calls Wilder out, Wilder goes into hiding.

Wilder says he'll be ring side for Joshua/Wlad to let the winner know he wants them next. After Joshua/Wlad does he call out Joshua? Nope he calls out Bellew and Parker.

Parker responds to call out and Duco events contact Wilder's people, what happens, you guessed it, no fight.

Only reason Wilder/Ortiz may happen is because Ortiz signed with Haymon and Ortiz has looked like an old man in recent fights.

Hobson, Goodwin aren’t rivals they’re small hall promoters they’ve never been rivals to the big fish like Hearn, Warren etc. There just genuine boxing men who genuinely care and know about the sport and see straight through this Eddie Hearn salesman BS.

All this stuff you’re saying is invalidated like the majority of nonesense Hearn says on IFL. Hearn NEVER made any official offer to Wilder for the Whyte fight but cause he says it on IFL morons like you believe it’s true. Wilder accepted the Povetkin fight but Povetkin FAILED a drugs test. I don’t like Wilder whatsoever but it isn’t his fault both Povetkin and Ortiz failed tests in the lead up to his fights with them
And your trying to say Wilder ducked Chisora and H.Fury������ your a clown kid. Your another one of these weirdo’s who watches Hearn IFL interviews and thinks they are a ****ing insider. Nah kid your nothing

I see no point in continuing this conversation cause you clearly have a very poor understanding of boxing which is riddled with bias.

Ignorance is bliss...������

[Jewish-Reptile]

Ortiz is a PED cheat but before he got busted the 2nd time AJ (via Hearn) showed zero interest in fighting Ortiz, I’d actually make AJ the favourite in that fight but Hearn clearly wouldn't dream of risking his cash cow against a dangerous and skilled HW like Ortiz. Regardless of what people think of Wilder he deserves credit for taking this guy as a voluntary, AJ/Hearn would never take that sort of risk

Showtime are refusing to air Wilder’s fights unless they’re against guys who are credible, they refused to air the Stiverne rematch, Wilder couldn’t get the money from elsewhere so decided to face Ortiz, showtime having already committed to a boxing date that night went ahead and screened it. If Wilder is going to continue facing scrubs he’s going to have to do it on NBC or wherever but he ain’t getting the money off of Showtime unless he’s up against a guy like Ortiz.

That’s all fact. Let’s not act like Wilder is doing this optionally he’s literally been told no Showtime otherwise...

[_Maxi]

He had a guaranteed shot at Joshua which would have bagged him about 10x what he'll make against Wilder and a shot at being HW king.

The only logical reason is he fancies his chances more against Wilder.

Are you telling me a 40 year old cuban is going to dismiss an oportunity to make millions because he thinks he will lose? come on, use your brain.

[Rubber Ducky]

Hobson, Goodwin aren’t rivals they’re small hall promoters they’ve never been rivals to the big fish like Hearn, Warren etc. There just genuine boxing men who genuinely care and know about the sport and see straight through this Eddie Hearn salesman BS.

All this stuff you’re saying is invalidated like the majority of nonesense Hearn says on IFL. Hearn NEVER made any official offer to Wilder for the Whyte fight but cause he says it on IFL morons like you believe it’s true. Wilder accepted the Povetkin fight but Povetkin FAILED a drugs test. I don’t like Wilder whatsoever but it isn’t his fault both Povetkin and Ortiz failed tests in the lead up to his fights with them
And your trying to say Wilder ducked Chisora and H.Fury������ your a clown kid. Your another one of these weirdo’s who watches Hearn IFL interviews and thinks they are a ****ing insider. Nah kid your nothing

I see no point in continuing this conversation cause you clearly have a very poor understanding of boxing which is riddled with bias.

Ignorance is bliss...������

Please Shelly Finkel, one of Wilders many promoters has confirmed the Hearn offer. You can ignore inconvenient things like facts all you like, doesn't make what you say true. Just as saying rival promoters even on a smaller scale are not rival promoters. These smaller guys would love Hearn to disappear so they can sign better fighters.

Lol at discrediting Hearn to discredit my calling out the Hughie and Chisora ducks. You accuse me of ignorance but you don't know that Fury was promoted by Hennessy and Chisora was promoted by Warren when he called out Wilder. Hearn had nothing to do with them.

All I see is lies from you to suit your own agenda,lol.

[juggernaut666]

Are you telling me a 40 year old cuban is going to dismiss an oportunity to make millions because he thinks he will lose? come on, use your brain.

Are you questioning Ortiz IQ ? Have you followed this guys career ? Hes not exactly that bright .

He took the Wilder fight thinking becoming the WBC champion would get him a better deal with Joshua .

[Robbie Barrett]

Are you telling me a 40 year old cuban is going to dismiss an oportunity to make millions because he thinks he will lose? come on, use your brain.

What other reason would a 40 year old Cuban walk away from a massive paycheck to fight Wilder instead for far less? Don't say glory because Joshua is the 1 HW too. if he beats Wilder there'll be a rematch clause no doubt, so he won't be getting Joshua next either.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Showtime are refusing to air Wilder’s fights unless they’re against guys who are credible, they refused to air the Stiverne rematch, Wilder couldn’t get the money from elsewhere so decided to face Ortiz, showtime having already committed to a boxing date that night went ahead and screened it. If Wilder is going to continue facing scrubs he’s going to have to do it on NBC or wherever but he ain’t getting the money off of Showtime unless he’s up against a guy like Ortiz.

That’s all fact. Let’s not act like Wilder is doing this optionally he’s literally been told no Showtime otherwise...

Do you have any evidence that proves that as fact?????
I don’t know what exactly Ortiz would bring to the table for Showtime he’s not a name or a draw.
Regardless of the reasons behind the Ortiz fight, Wilder deserves credit for fighting him. I’m the first guy to call Wilder our for fighting bums like Molina and a washed up Arreola but give credit where it’s due Ortiz is a dangerous opponent who the other champions have shown little interest in fighting especially as a voluntary. Wilder doesn’t have to fight Ortiz it’s an optional defence he could’ve easily fought a Brezeale type a fight Showtime must’ve had interest in, as they put Brezeale on two Wilder undercards. I don’t like Wilder but I call a spade a spade and will give a fighter credit when it’s deserved

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Only a ****** or afraid man would walk away from a 8 mil+ payday for an under 1 mil one because he doesn't want to wait a few months.

But wait, who says Ortiz is walking away from a showdown with AJ? Wilder has a belt and it's a given that he's been protected. If Ortiz fought Joshua first and won or even gave him a hard time, Wilder likely wouldn't want any. Right now, Deontay feels confident. He may even think a decisive win over Ortiz gives him even more negotiating power with a fight vs AJ. Well, the same holds true for Luis if he destroys Wilder and takes his belt.