Loma vs floyd

[Boxing42]

Salido beat Loma

[Larry the boss]

Why are you using Rigo a 37 year old midget moving up 2 divisions to gauge how a fight with a "PRIME" Mayweather would go??? how does that even make sense?

[Larry the boss]

A prime floyd already beat by castillo. A ****ing class B at best fighter.

I think Castillo is ranked far ahead of Salido man

[Larry the boss]

If Castillo was class B then what the **** is Salido?

exactly....

[Larry the boss]

Loma is a special fighter who is on the right path, let him continue to prove himself and make his legacy

[HarvardBlue]

I think OP is forgetting Mayweather has one of the highest boxing IQ's. Lomachenko is ultra talented but Mayweather would come up with a game plan to get a victory. Mayweather was light on his feet, fast, and had more pop than Lomachenko.

Lomachenko couldn't figure out Salido until late in the fight.

SALIDO!!!!

[R-Hand Southpaw]

It's the style not the fighter that I'm referencing. Sure, prime mayweather was faster and stronger than his older self, but his style is still the same.

I don't see how anything he has ever shown us could lead to him over coming the things loma does.

For instance, I believe that Ali probably wasn't the greatest ever and that prime Ali would get wrecked by prime Tyson.

Ali would have height reach and weight all over Tyson but peekaboo was legit created to kill boxers with that style. Rope a dope? More like get pinned on the ropes and body shot to death.

We know that Ali has had problems before with an inferior fighter in Frazier who use a similar style and here we got Tyson way younger, far more explosive, and powerful. And sure, the argument can be made that Ali could have handled Tysons power because he took foreman head on. But let's be real, foreman was no Tyson. In terms on speed and power. Foreman was a champion in his own right but his style was far different.

Now apply to Loma vs Mayweather. Yes, I know it's way to early to say Loma is the greatest, but that's not what I'm saying. I'm merely saying if they were to hypothetically fight Loma would probably win in my opinion. Being the greatest doesn't mean that you are the best.

Now apply to logic from above. People call Ali the greatest even though he wasn't necessarily the best boxer ever. He was great because of his legacy.

Legacy is something mayweather has and Loma doesnt. But that doesn't mean Loma couldn't beat mayweather.

I've given reasons why I think Loma would win, like technical reasons and showcases of ability to counter said abilities. No one has shown me why they think mayweather would win other than I didn't watch his fights (I did), or some variation bringing his legacy into this.

Can someone show me how he countered someone using a high amount of feints? How he countered people who fought from similar angles? How he countered certain techniques Loma may use?

Because I got none of that

[daggum]

I think OP is forgetting Mayweather has one of the highest boxing IQ's. Lomachenko is ultra talented but Mayweather would come up with a game plan to get a victory. Mayweather was light on his feet, fast, and had more pop than Lomachenko.

Lomachenko couldn't figure out Salido until late in the fight.

SALIDO!!!!

floyd couldnt figure out castillo either. in fact castillo dominated the second half of the fight so what happene to that high iq and game plan? those type of fighters are just hard for light punchers to fight. they are always in your face and they dont give you time to think or adjust. a guy like salido i would think is especially hard because he throws unpredictable punches from all crazy angles. they both lost to tough fighters but floyd and loma fight nothing like salido and castillo so bringing them up for a loma-floyd fight doesnt make much sense.

[jmrf4435]

I think he would as well.

If loma beats mikey more people will agree

[BoxingIsGreat]

I'm a newer boxing fan but in the short time I've watched boxing i think I've got a good grasp on the concept and art of it.

That being said, let's get back to the title.

Personally I think Loma beats Floyd in his prime. Crazy? Probably, but I'm no fan boy and i like objectivity and it seems more often than not people. People here seem to choose fighters based on race, country if origin, or just straight fanboyism. That's wrong.

That being said, objectively I think Loma wins based solely on his style. With Loma's win vs Rigo, it showcased his ability to break defenses people think are impenetrable. Sure, rigos defense is not as good as floyds, but he figured out what no one could with EASE.

Take into account Floyds main defense is his Philly shell, crouching, and counter punching. All these things Loma dictates in a fight.

When he's in his Philly shell its non effective against a southpaw like Loma because straight lefts and because Loma just would walk around Floyd with his movement. We all saw he had problems defending this against McGregor. He was so ineffective at defending against this he should have lost a point for intentionally turning the back of his head towards McGregor.

How would be defend against this?

Then consider the fact that Floyd is a straight up counter puncher relying the mistakes and over commitment of his opponents. Loma doesn't make a lot of mistakes and he hardly ever over commits. If anything I can't see a scenario where Mayweather could beat Loma's feints. It would look just like how rigo looked. Not sure where the attack is coming from, reacting to everything.

Could Floyd muster enough offense alone to win? I just can't see it. Plus, he isn't a big puncher either.

Loma has very good defense. #1 rated by compubox and is defensively responsible. I just can't see flyod over coming that. It would probably be a low hitting affair just like rigo v Loma.

Crouching. Loma showed how to best this. Lean on them. I doubt Floyd uses his lean/pivot technique because Loma already knows how to beat this. Lean, rotate/pivot, follow up with a cross. If they run follow with a dempsy double shift to close the distance.

So if you're a Floyd fan, how do you think he wins? I can only see floyd being better in MAYBE reaction speed, reach, but he loses when styles are compared.

Every style has strengths and weaknesses and so far the most effective against Floyd has been making the boxing match into a fight. Lots of punches and smothering the opponent. But I think Loma's style would run circles around Floyd.

I stopped reading right there. Floyd at 130 was a monster. No way.

I'll not Red K you.