Comments Thread For: Bob Arum Very Open To Do Talent "Trades" With Showtime

[Scipio2009]

we know crawford makes more than all of them. U said it yourself before. We know everyone I just mentioned is with pbc. U really aren’t the sharpest tool in the shed. Crawford has been fighting pbc fighters on hbo.

He will fight them on eSPN too. U notice I mentioned the PBc “B” list. The kind of guys Danny Garcia likes to fight. Felix Diz and John Molina are on that Luis collazo sammy vasquez level. U keep owing yourself.

Haymon doesn’t have enough dares for his a list. Let alone his b list and c list fighters. He will ship his guys to slaughter on espn he same way he did John Molina, felix fox, arroyo, wade etc. Just send them to slaughter on a rival network because he has nothing for them

It was different at 140lbs; you can't really be this dense, right.

Who else was Felix Diaz going to fight at 140lbs in a meaningful fight? Adrien Broner and Omar Figueroa Jr didn't work, so Diaz went with the next biggest fight for him. lol

Beyond even that, you're talking about fighting on ESPN for maybe $500k, with Crawford getting near all of the alloted money for the show (the disclosed purses for the ESPN shows so far basically top out at up to $2.5m in total purses for the full night of fights).

Sammy Vasquez has lost his last two fights; if Top Rank wants to give him a title shot, so be it.

Luis Collazo is a great example; why would he head to ESPN for maybe $400k to fight Crawford when he could fight Danny Garcia or Shawn Porter (likely in Brooklyn) for likely better money?

Counting just the big shows (Showtime/CBS, FOX, SpikeTV), Haymon has had almost 25 dates in 2017, with another 20 or so dates when counting FS1 and BounceTV (with likely another 15 ShoBox dates to put fighters on). Why lie?

[killakali]

It was different at 140lbs; you can't really be this dense, right.

Who else was Felix Diaz going to fight at 140lbs in a meaningful fight? Adrien Broner and Omar Figueroa Jr didn't work, so Diaz went with the next biggest fight for him. lol

Beyond even that, you're talking about fighting on ESPN for maybe $500k, with Crawford getting near all of the alloted money for the show (the disclosed purses for the ESPN shows so far basically top out at up to $2.5m in total purses for the full night of fights).

Sammy Vasquez has lost his last two fights; if Top Rank wants to give him a title shot, so be it.

Luis Collazo is a great example; why would he head to ESPN for maybe $400k to fight Crawford when he could fight Danny Garcia or Shawn Porter (likely in Brooklyn) for likely better money?

Counting just the big shows (Showtime/CBS, FOX, SpikeTV), Haymon has had almost 25 dates in 2017, with another 20 or so dates when counting FS1 and BounceTV (with likely another 15 ShoBox dates to put fighters on). Why lie?

First off Shobox dates don't all go to Al. Only about half of them. FS1 as zero January dates announced because that deal is up. Let's see if he even gets a 2018. There are lots of rumors he won't and those budgets are at most 100k per show. BounceTV is a quarterly show so thats 4 cards and we don't know about 2018 yet either.

Fox is gone. SpikeTV is gone. So basically he has Showtime and a quarterly Bounce show. Why do you think most of his top fighters only fight once a year?

And bingo that is exactly why the would fight on ESPN for 400-500k. Your Collazo example is perfect. He fights once a year now because Haymon has nothing for him even though he has most of the welterweights. Why not fight once on Showtime (who isn't really even interested in him) and once on ESPN? It isn't rocket science. Even Haymon gets two commission checks instead of one. And don't say that Collazo would get better money than 400-500k on espn. Are you high? Shawn Porter just fought Granados and only made $500k while Granados got $200k which is about what Collazo would get. Maybe a bump more. just change the dot to . to read it.

http://www.espndotcom/boxing/story/_/id/21290758/shawn-porter-outpoints-adrian-granados-eyes-rematch-keith-thurman

You are severely overestimated these purses at PBC and by saying that ESPN purses top out 2.5 you really funny. Crawford got 2.05 for Indongo and Indongo's side was 900k. Remember that Hearn and Indongo's promoter took a cut of that too. Then look at the Pacquiao-Horn purse where Manny got 10million. You really need to get yourself checked out

[Scipio2009]

First off Shobox dates don't all go to Al. Only about half of them. FS1 as zero January dates announced because that deal is up. Let's see if he even gets a 2018. There are lots of rumors he won't and those budgets are at most 100k per show. BounceTV is a quarterly show so thats 4 cards and we don't know about 2018 yet either.

Fox is gone. SpikeTV is gone. So basically he has Showtime and a quarterly Bounce show. Why do you think most of his top fighters only fight once a year?

And bingo that is exactly why the would fight on ESPN for 400-500k. Your Collazo example is perfect. He fights once a year now because Haymon has nothing for him even though he has most of the welterweights. Why not fight once on Showtime (who isn't really even interested in him) and once on ESPN? It isn't rocket science. Even Haymon gets two commission checks instead of one. And don't say that Collazo would get better money than 400-500k on espn. Are you high? Shawn Porter just fought Granados and only made $500k while Granados got $200k which is about what Collazo would get. Maybe a bump more. just change the dot to . to read it.

http://www.espndotcom/boxing/story/_/id/21290758/shawn-porter-outpoints-adrian-granados-eyes-rematch-keith-thurman

You are severely overestimated these purses at PBC and by saying that ESPN purses top out 2.5 you really funny. Crawford got 2.05 for Indongo and Indongo's side was 900k. Remember that Hearn and Indongo's promoter took a cut of that too. Then look at the Pacquiao-Horn purse where Manny got 10million. You really need to get yourself checked out

You're a fool if you think the FOX/FS1 shows aren't going to be picked up; the UFC deal needs to be settled either way (I'm on record with my belief that the UFC will leave FOX for TimeWarner and an HBOPPV/HBO/TNT/TruTV combination), but the need for content is still what it is, and nothing negative has even been hinted at at this point.

Shawn Porter fought Granados as a tickover fight as Wilder's chief support, so what are you even talking about? $1m to fight Berto, $1m to fight Thurman, $1m to fight Broner. And that's just the disclosed money.

Luis Collazo just picked up a really good win against Sammy Vasquez; if given the choice between fighting Danny Garcia near PR Day in Brooklyn, or fighting Terence Crawford for an interim belt in April, do you honestly think the money would be better for the Crawford fight?

[killakali]

You're a fool if you think the FOX/FS1 shows aren't going to be picked up; the UFC deal needs to be settled either way (I'm on record with my belief that the UFC will leave FOX for TimeWarner and an HBOPPV/HBO/TNT/TruTV combination), but the need for content is still what it is, and nothing negative has even been hinted at at this point.

Shawn Porter fought Granados as a tickover fight as Wilder's chief support, so what are you even talking about? $1m to fight Berto, $1m to fight Thurman, $1m to fight Broner. And that's just the disclosed money.

Luis Collazo just picked up a really good win against Sammy Vasquez; if given the choice between fighting Danny Garcia near PR Day in Brooklyn, or fighting Terence Crawford for an interim belt in April, do you honestly think the money would be better for the Crawford fight?

LMAO....u said Luis Collazo JUST picked up a really nice win over Sammy Vasquez!!!!!!!!!!!LMAOOO!!! you are making my point. That fight was OVER 10 months ago!! In February. What did he do with that momentum? He got put on the shelf LMAOO. That is great promoting isn't it. He is 36 years old and wasting away. That is why he should fight once a year on ESPN so he isn't inactive for a year because he will have been inactive over a year by the time he fights again.

Danny Garcia? That isn't set in stone and he won't make six or seven hundred grand for that fight. Get real. Garcia wants an even easier tune up than Collazo in Brandon Rios. You know that.

That was a nice win by Collazo and he just couldn't capitalize on it. He has fought one in the past 30 months smh. Thats how you build a fan base. No one remembers that he beat Vasquez and Vasquez has been MIA and no one even remembers who he is

[Scipio2009]

LMAO....u said Luis Collazo JUST picked up a really nice win over Sammy Vasquez!!!!!!!!!!!LMAOOO!!! you are making my point. That fight was OVER 10 months ago!! In February. What did he do with that momentum? He got put on the shelf LMAOO. That is great promoting isn't it. He is 36 years old and wasting away. That is why he should fight once a year on ESPN so he isn't inactive for a year because he will have been inactive over a year by the time he fights again.

Danny Garcia? That isn't set in stone and he won't make six or seven hundred grand for that fight. Get real. Garcia wants an even easier tune up than Collazo in Brandon Rios. You know that.

That was a nice win by Collazo and he just couldn't capitalize on it. He has fought one in the past 30 months smh. Thats how you build a fan base. No one remembers that he beat Vasquez and Vasquez has been MIA and no one even remembers who he is

Collazo is positioned for a big fight with PBC, particularly with a Danny Garcia fight being viable (New York vs Philly, Puerto Rican fighters, good style matchup).

Do you honestly think that he's going to get more money signing to fight for an interim belt than he would, waiting on Danny Garcia?

[killakali]

Collazo is positioned for a big fight with PBC, particularly with a Danny Garcia fight being viable (New York vs Philly, Puerto Rican fighters, good style matchup).

Do you honestly think that he's going to get more money signing to fight for an interim belt than he would, waiting on Danny Garcia?

absolutely. Any fight with Collazo isn't a big fight. Danny Garcia vs Collazo isn't a big fight just like Cotto vs Quintana wasn't a big fight or Juanma vs Oquendo smh. Just because its PR vs PR doesn't make it big and Danny doesn't exactly embrace the culture either. Garcia will probably fight Rios in tune up instead of having a tune up vs Collazo

[Scipio2009]

absolutely. Any fight with Collazo isn't a big fight. Danny Garcia vs Collazo isn't a big fight just like Cotto vs Quintana wasn't a big fight or Juanma vs Oquendo smh. Just because its PR vs PR doesn't make it big and Danny doesn't exactly embrace the culture either. Garcia will probably fight Rios in tune up instead of having a tune up vs Collazo

Cotto hung up the gloves, with no Puerto Rican fighter to now stand in his stead.

The Rios fight seems to already be pretty well set; Garcia has been in camp since at least Thanksgiving.

Danny's fought in Brooklyn, Luis Collazo is from Brooklyn; the fact that you don't think there's interest in that fight for June is odd.

[killakali]

Cotto hung up the gloves, with no Puerto Rican fighter to now stand in his stead.

The Rios fight seems to already be pretty well set; Garcia has been in camp since at least Thanksgiving.

Danny's fought in Brooklyn, Luis Collazo is from Brooklyn; the fact that you don't think there's interest in that fight for June is odd.

It doesn't seem odd at all. If Collazo waited till June to fight he would be a moron. Why would he he sit out 16 months. At his age he will be so rusty. Plus If Garcia fights in March as is likely he won't fight again in June. That is funny. Even if he fought in February he wouldn't fight again in June. Remember this is PBC and they don't have enough dates for all of their fighters. If he fights in Feb/March he will be lucky to be back in Nov/Dec thats just the way the PBC has been the past couple of years and with no Spike TV or Fox cards next year it will be even worse

[Scipio2009]

It doesn't seem odd at all. If Collazo waited till June to fight he would be a moron. Why would he he sit out 16 months. At his age he will be so rusty. Plus If Garcia fights in March as is likely he won't fight again in June. That is funny. Even if he fought in February he wouldn't fight again in June. Remember this is PBC and they don't have enough dates for all of their fighters. If he fights in Feb/March he will be lucky to be back in Nov/Dec thats just the way the PBC has been the past couple of years and with no Spike TV or Fox cards next year it will be even worse

Danny Garcia has been in camp since Thanksgiving, from the looks of it; if you honestly think that Garcia won't fight until March, that's on you.

FOX is going to see what's going to happen with the UFC first; the fact that you continue to insist that a PBC-FOX/FS1 deal isn't the next priority is something else.

[killakali]

Danny Garcia has been in camp since Thanksgiving, from the looks of it; if you honestly think that Garcia won't fight until March, that's on you.

FOX is going to see what's going to happen with the UFC first; the fact that you continue to insist that a PBC-FOX/FS1 deal isn't the next priority is something else.

FS1 could happen without Fox if it did happen. And lets be real. It was 3 fox shows last year with budgets slashed. It isn't a big difference maker anyway. Fox doesn't need to see what happens with the UFC to decide if they want to continue receiving time buy paychecks from PBC. The problem is PBC doesn't have the money to keep buying the time.

Garcia starting camp in late November means he should be back in late February but if there isn't a date that could easily be back up to March its only a week or two lmao. And if he does fight in Feb/March like I predicted there is no way he fights again in June. You know it and I know it.