Comments Thread For: Luis Ortiz is All Smiles, King Kong Given a Pass in WBC Final Ruling

[Robbie Barrett]

Have you ever dealt with the Florida commission before . . . lol

"3. Dr. Wallace also examined Mr. Ortiz` medical history and confirmed the medical justification for Mr. Ortiz to ingest a blood pressure medication which eventually resulted in Mr. Ortiz' adverse finding."


They paid off doe.

[N/A]

WBC said they've seen the medical records.

So the WBC or the ER and the Florida commissions doctor are in Ortiz's pocket?

Why? He's not a big earner so he'll be unable to pay them huge amounts.

This pathetic infatuation to defend anything Wilder you've got is embarrassing.

Be honest. Do you have any experience dealing in these kinds of matters or are you just a fan taking things at face value? If you don't know how the game is played, then maybe talk a little less and listen a little more and you may accidentally learn something.

Ortiz may have high blood pressure. He may have hid the medication to hide that he was fighting with high blood pressure when he shouldn't have been. Or it may simply be the cover story for his latest cheating scandal. Regardless, the rules exist the way they do for a reason. List everything you're taking because there shouldn't be any excuses after the fact.

WBC doctor "examined" his "medical history." That doesn't mean they've seen all the medical records. It means they've seen what they were shown.

WBC isn't in Ortiz's pocket, WBC is in Haymon's pocket. The FL doctor said what he was told to say. Nowhere in that video did he claim to have seen any proof himself. He just relayed the situation to a reporter. Getting a doctor to regurgitate your side of the story is very easy.

The majority of top fighters are on PEDs. Their job is to create plausible deniability so the industry can continue to function.

If you're just a fan accepting everything at face value, with no experience or knowledge that would allow you to know how these things really work, please just admit it and stop wasting everybody's time.

[Robbie Barrett]

Be honest. Do you have any experience dealing in these kinds of matters or are you just a fan taking things at face value? If you don't know how the game is played, then maybe talk a little less and listen a little more and you may accidentally learn something.

Ortiz may have high blood pressure. He may have hid the medication to hide that he was fighting with high blood pressure when he shouldn't have been. Or it may simply be the cover story for his latest cheating scandal. Regardless, the rules exist the way they do for a reason. List everything you're taking because there shouldn't be any excuses after the fact.

WBC doctor "examined" his "medical history." That doesn't mean they've seen all the medical records. It means they've seen what they were shown.

WBC isn't in Ortiz's pocket, WBC is in Haymon's pocket. The FL doctor said what he was told to say. Nowhere in that video did he claim to have seen any proof himself. He just relayed the situation to a reporter. Getting a doctor to regurgitate your side of the story is very easy.

The majority of top fighters are on PEDs. Their job is to create plausible deniability so the industry can continue to function.

If you're just a fan accepting everything at face value, with no experience or knowledge that would allow you to know how these things really work, please just admit it and stop wasting everybody's time.

Only person wasting time is ******s like you coming up with conspiracy theories. WBC's doctor said Ortiz had a need for blood pressure meds. Florida's commission doctor said the meds were given at the ER. Do you have ANY evidence at all to support an accusation that they are corrupt?

Nope.

But Wilder didn't want to fight Ortiz so his decision must be defended by his biggest ball sucker.

[daggum]

it makes wilders blood pressure rise when the prospect of facing someone with a pulse appears!

[landotter]

Only person wasting time is ******s like you coming up with conspiracy theories. WBC's doctor said Ortiz had a need for blood pressure meds. Florida's commission doctor said the meds were given at the ER. Do you have ANY evidence at all to support an accusation that they are corrupt?

Nope.

But Wilder didn't want to fight Ortiz so his decision must be defended by his biggest ball sucker.

I, once again, am lost as to how people on these threads about Ortiz and HIS failed test are STILL finding a way to sling mud and shade back on Wilder. He PAID for Stiverne to step aside. He PETITIONED his titles organization to allow him to fight Ortiz. HE went out of his way to make this fight happen.

If people want to believe that Ortiz made a simple mistake (again, all he had to do was list the medications he was taking. Not a hard form to fill out), fine. No sweat. Defend that position.

But how can people who claim it is ****** to accuse Ortiz and these doctors of a cover up somehow think that Wilder MADE Ortiz pee bad, banned things to get out of the fight that Wilder asked for?

[Robbie Barrett]

I, once again, am lost as to how people on these threads about Ortiz and HIS failed test are STILL finding a way to sling mud and shade back on Wilder. He PAID for Stiverne to step aside. He PETITIONED his titles organization to allow him to fight Ortiz. HE went out of his way to make this fight happen.

If people want to believe that Ortiz made a simple mistake (again, all he had to do was list the medications he was taking. Not a hard form to fill out), fine. No sweat. Defend that position.

But how can people who claim it is ****** to accuse Ortiz and these doctors of a cover up somehow think that Wilder MADE Ortiz pee bad, banned things to get out of the fight that Wilder asked for?

Inventing things now.

[alexguiness]

King Kong gonna slap the **** out of chicken legs.

[landotter]

Inventing things now.

No... I am responding to you saying that somehow Wilder got out of this fight. You implied he wanted nothing to do with the same fighter he went out of his way to get a match with by being pointing out how moronic that thought is with an over the top sarcastic statement. Amazing how you zero in on the sarcasm and imply it was a factual accusation. I will keep that pesky stuff out of this post.

I do not think there is a doctor's conspiracy to clear Ortiz' name or a paid off ER room in his pocket. I also do not think Wilder wanted out of the fight. I am just one of those lame posters that respond to what facts are actually out there. Wilder wanted this fight. Those of us that follow the sport were excited for this fight. Ortiz screwed it up either by cheating and getting caught, or by being unable to actually read a form and fill out a simple section. Either way, Ortiz did this to himself due to his own actions and Wilder and the boxing fans lost out.

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Only person wasting time is ******s like you coming up with conspiracy theories.

That's precisely the point though. You are the only one in this situation who is theorizing. We are telling you first hand, for a fact, that the majority of top fighters are on PEDs. Not just in boxing. In most professional sports.

When someone is caught, there is almost always a plausible excuse. Tainted supplement. Forgot to list a medicine. Tainted meat. You name it. 99% of the time, the excuse is complete bull****. So when a guy fails twice, and his excuse is that he didn't list something he was taking, he doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

You choose to believe him. That's fine. But you are simply a layman believing everything at face value. You have no insight or experience in these types of situations, so your opinion is ultimately meaningless.

[landotter]

King Kong gonna slap the **** out of chicken legs.

Since Wilder/Joshua isn't happening soon and Parker is likely headed to England, the top two fights I wanted for Wilder seem like they are off the table. I am not interested in Whyte/Wilder.

So... why not?? Let's get Chicken legs in with Body by Foreman and see what happens. I was down with it the first time, and Ortiz still instantly becomes the best fighter on Wilder's fairly thin resume.