How is Tyson Fury a more skilled boxer than Anthony Joshua when:

[Holler]

A "name" is only someone who is popular/ well known. It doesn't mean that the "name" is a special fighter. In the 50's, 60's and especially the 70's there were more "names" because the sport was MUCH more popular with the casual sports fans. The 70's was an era of "names" because it was THE biggest era of the heavyweight.

Lot of truth in that. However the pull of boxing in the seventies was far greater. Top athletes were drawn to it above other sports, today he opposite is true. So it's at least arguable that relative standards were higher then, there were more good boxers around.

[Holler]

Exactly this! The above user erroneously correlates 'name' of a boxer to the boxer's quality.

Never mind the fact that Wladimir Klitschko has defeated and knocked out more previously unbeaten opponents (who themselves have also beaten unbeaten opponents) than Muhammad Ali. However, somehow merely coming up with names of Muhammad Ali's opponents is meant to impress an objective individual like me without actually proving how they are of a better quality than the unbeaten + non - bummy opponents (Below Usable Measure = a boxer with less than 12 fights in his whole career or has lost 25% (or more) of fights of his WinLossCareerRecord) opponents of Wladimir Klitschko

It's difficult comparing different eras. Sports science has improved beyond all recognition, conditioning should be far better. Refereeing had changed also, watch one of the brutal 15 round fights from back then, it would typically be stopped much earlier today.

I made he point above about the depth of quality back hen, it's unfair however to mark down Klitschko for the calibre of his opponents, I'm not aware of any top hw that he dodged. The standard dropped because the best athletes were going to nba or nfl.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Ganstaz003 getting schooled. Take the L son and move on.

😂😂😂 that b*tch is riddled with L’s.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Ganstaz003 getting schooled. Take the L son and move on.

Still ducking a clarification of your question and making it meaningful. I see... because deep down, you probably know your question has no relevance to the topic being discussed.

Yes, you've got to prove your claims. Otherwise, it is you who is proving your own-self to be the ******. My claims are substantiated. Your claims are however mere speculations!

Your claims are far from substantiated😂😂😂 you started talking about meaningless BS like “Wlad beat most Southpaws” and “Wlad beat most mandatories”😂😂😂 you ****** little ******.
Just answer me two question’s: (and I’ll explain them for you cause you clearly don’t understand how questions work)
What is Wlad’s best win? By that I mean in your ******ed opinion who’s the best fighter Wlad beat.
What truly elite HW’s did Wlad beat? In your deluded opinion name me some of these “elite” HW’s Wlad beat.
I guarantee you won’t answer these questions because you know, I know, and every real boxing fan know’s Wlad didn’t beat one truly elite HW.
Certified ******...
....that’s absolutely plagued with L’s😂😂😂😂😂😂

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

^ How am I getting schooled from someone who is merely making unsubstantiated claims and someone who's failed to refute any fact that I've posted to back up my own claims?

Your getting schooled son! Take your L and stop embarrassing yourself!
LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

A "name" is only someone who is popular/ well known. It doesn't mean that the "name" is a special fighter. In the 50's, 60's and especially the 70's there were more "names" because the sport was MUCH more popular with the casual sports fans. The 70's was an era of "names" because it was THE biggest era of the heavyweight.

Your missing the point. This ******, I’ve been humouring, was trying to claim Wlad was the GOAT HW, and tried to claim he’d beaten more top opposition than anyone else and had the best resume😂😂. So I asked him who this top opposition was, I asked him to provide names of elite fighters Wlad beat. Like I provided elite HW’s like Foreman, Frazier, Liston, Patterson, Norton etc when comparing how poor Wlad’s resume is compared amongst the real GOAT HW Muhammad Ali.
The ****** has ducked this question cause he KNOWS Wlad never beat anyone who is truly considered and elite HW. FACT.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Your claims are far from substantiated😂😂😂 you started talking about meaningless BS like “Wlad beat most Southpaws” and “Wlad beat most mandatories”😂😂😂 you ****** little ******.
Just answer me two question’s: (and I’ll explain them for you cause you clearly don’t understand how questions work)
What is Wlad’s best win? By that I mean in your ******ed opinion who’s the best fighter Wlad beat.
What truly elite HW’s did Wlad beat? In your deluded opinion name me some of these “elite” HW’s Wlad beat.
I guarantee you won’t answer these questions because you know, I know, and every real boxing fan know’s Wlad didn’t beat one truly elite HW.
Certified ******...
....that’s absolutely plagued with L’s😂😂😂😂😂😂

1) In regards to my claims being far from substantiated. Yes, they are substantiated. I've given evidence and facts which supports my claim as to why Wladimir Klitschko is the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time. What facts and evidence have you provided that supports your claim that the boxer you select as the greatest heavyweight of all time is the greatest heavyweight of all time? That's right! None!

2) Prove / explain how Wladimir Klitschko beating most southpaws and mandatory / top ranked opponents is meaningless!

3) In regards to who is the best fighter Wladimir Klitschko has boxed against. You've just committed a begging the question logical fallacy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

You are clearly in need of logic courses. Since you just assumed Wladimir Klitschko has only one best opponent which he boxed against (which is false).

4) In regards to which elite heavyweights did Wladimir Klitschko beat. Define 'elite' first. Then I'll answer your question.

Like I provided elite HW’s like Foreman, Frazier, Liston, Patterson, Norton etc

So do you really want to compare the records of those aforementioned boxers you've listed to some of Wladimir Klitschko's best opponents?

You're plagued with a lack of logic courses! Take some L courses!

[Mr Objecitivity]

It's difficult comparing different eras. Sports science has improved beyond all recognition, conditioning should be far better. Refereeing had changed also, watch one of the brutal 15 round fights from back then, it would typically be stopped much earlier today.

I made he point above about the depth of quality back hen, it's unfair however to mark down Klitschko for the calibre of his opponents, I'm not aware of any top hw that he dodged. The standard dropped because the best athletes were going to nba or nfl.

It's difficult comparing different eras.

It certainly is!

Sports science has improved beyond all recognition, conditioning should be far better.

That is true too! Which should indicate that modern boxers in general should be superior to ancient boxers overall in all areas of boxing that matter.

Refereeing had changed also, watch one of the brutal 15 round fights from back then, it would typically be stopped much earlier today.

Likewise, modern boxers are able to produce knockouts much quicker than ancient boxers due to having the power to finish off opponents quicker. Whilst ancient boxers didn't have as much power to finish off opponents as quick.

The standard dropped because the best athletes were going to nba or nfl.

Or perhaps the standard ONLY dropped in USA and not in the rest of the world because the rest of the world started competing in boxing when the standard supposedly dropped in USA (Soviets started competing since the 1990's)?

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Wait a minute, this guy is claiming that Wlad Klitschko is the greatest of all time? LOL. Wlad isn't even the best boxer in his family.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

1) In regards to my claims being far from substantiated. Yes, they are substantiated. I've given evidence and facts which supports my claim as to why Wladimir Klitschko is the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time. What facts and evidence have you provided that supports your claim that the boxer you select as the greatest heavyweight of all time is the greatest heavyweight of all time? That's right! None!

2) Prove / explain how Wladimir Klitschko beating most southpaws and mandatory / top ranked opponents is meaningless!

3) In regards to who is the best fighter Wladimir Klitschko has boxed against. You've just committed a begging the question logical fallacy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

You are clearly in need of logic courses. Since you just assumed Wladimir Klitschko has only one best opponent which he boxed against (which is false).

4) In regards to which elite heavyweights did Wladimir Klitschko beat. Define 'elite' first. Then I'll answer your question.




So do you really want to compare the records of those aforementioned boxers you've listed to some of Wladimir Klitschko's best opponents?

You're plagued with a lack of logic courses! Take some L courses!

1) You’re a retatd

2) You’re ******ed

3) You are a ******

4) You are ******ed

5) Stop whining like a little b*tch and just answer the question: in your opinion what’s Wlad’s best win? Simple.

6) You actually think Wlad is the GOAT HW 😂😂😂😂. Man your so deluded.

7) Plagued with L’s. LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL