How is Tyson Fury a more skilled boxer than Anthony Joshua when:

[Mr Objecitivity]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA😂😂😂😂 pure lies and irrelevant BS!! Those 9 points are the most retatded thing I've ever seen
Lost the least rounds, he got KO'd 4 times and schooled over 12 by Fury.
His win/loss ratio in title fights 25/4, not as good as Ali 22/3, not as good as Marciano undefeated, not as good as Tunney undefeated at HW, not as good as Louis 27/1, not as good as Lewis 15/2, it's not even as good as Vitali's 15/2. More HUGE L's for you😭😭😭😭
Defeated more mandatory challengers hahaha that's irrelevant nonesense there are 4 belts nowadays moron, and guys like Leapai were mandatory's.😂😂😂
Knocked out more southpaw's😭😭 Who? Pianeta? Tony Thompson?😂😂😂
Highest number of title defenses??? Wrong again ******. The HW division is unlimited you don't have to be over 200lbs to be a HW. Louis 26 > Wlad 23 FACT. Add to that Louis' were for the the lineal title and around half of Wlad's weren't.
You've just been absolutely destroyed you little cretin.😂😂😂

If Wlad is so great then name me one elite HW he beat??? Give me NAMES of elite guys he beat. Truth is you can't cause there isn't even one guy on his resume that is in any way an elite HW.

I'm honestly done with you now ******, you know NOTHING about this sport or its history. Your boxing knowledge and logic is pathetic.
I'm sure you'll come back spouting more nonesense but you will no longer get a serious response from me as your vacuous nonsense doesn't merit one.

1) In regards to my 9 points being lies and irrelevant. Feel free to explain how such is the case. If you already have, then I am more than willing to address them If I read them.

2) In regards to my 9 points being '******ed'. Feel free to offer alternative 'NON-******ED' points which substantiate your claim of other past heavyweight champions being the greatest / best or being greater / better than Wladimir Klitschko. So far, you haven't done so.

3) In regards to him losing fewest rounds. Despite those losses you've mentioned, he still lost fewer rounds than any other past heavyweight champion. Especially when taking into consideration he has had 69 professional bouts and 23 world championship title bouts. All of which are more than what other past heavyweight champions accomplished, especially against real heavyweights opponents (boxers weighing 200 pounds or more). I've seen past heayvweight champions and nobody won as many rounds that they competed in, as much as Wladimir Klitschko did. Those early losses, along with his loss at around age 40 to Fury or Joshua doesn't change this fact!!

4) In regards to Wlad's win / loss ratio. I stated Wlad has one of the best win / loss ratio. Not the best! So your point is moot in regards to a few others who may have had a better one!

5) In regards to defeating more mandatory challengers being irrelevant. Perhaps! However, I also added with mandatory challengers 'TOP RANKED OPPONENTS (boxers ranked in the top 10 of the heavyweight rankings). That however, is absolutely relevant. It shows the level / quality of opposition he has defeated and he has defeated more of them, more convincingly and impressively than any other past heavyweight champion has.

6) In regards to boxers like Alex Leapai being Wlad's mandatory. So what? What is your point?

7) In regards to Wlad knocking out more southpaws than any past heavyweight champion. He defeated and stopped more southpaws (that were actually proven, qualified and deserved to box against him). As in, they were the best possible ones. Lennox Lewis avoided all southpaws during his time. Hence, 0 wins against southpaws. Likewise, Mike Tyson is the same! Whilst other heavyweight champions mostly boxed against southpaws that wouldn't even qualify as 'heavyweights' today. Ergo, they are irrelevant!

8) In regards to Wlad having highest number of title defenses. Against real heavyweights that would be considered heavyweights today (boxers weighing 200 pounds or more). Yes, he absolutely does!

9) In regards to the heavyweight division being unlimited and you don't have to be over 200 pounds to be a heavyweight. Incorrect! To qualify as a heavyweight today, one must weigh 200 pounds or more. The heavyweight division is only unlimited from 200 pounds and onward. Meaning, as long as a boxer weighs above 200 pounds, they can weigh whatever afterwards and onward from 200 pounds.

10) In regards to Joe Louis having 26 title defenses with Wlad having 23. I've already addressed this. Joe Louis has merely 8 title defenses against boxers who would qualify as heavyweights today (boxers who weighed 200 pounds or more). On the other hand, Wladimir Klitschko has 23 title defenses against legitimate heavyweights by modern standard. So again, perhaps recheck your 'facts'?

11) In regards to which 'elite' opponent Wlad has beaten. Well first, define the word 'elite' in a strictly mathematical / scientific way which can be verified and tested using a mathematical / scientific criteria. Until then, that word remains meaningless since I only deal with objective points in relation to these topics.

12) In regards to names of opponents Wladimir Klitschko beat. He beat every possible opponent that was qualified to box against him or deserved a bout against him. Excluding his older brother Vitali Klitschko. I challenge you to find a boxer during his time that he could've fought who deserved a bout against him that he avoided. Go ahead! I'll wait!

He beat the best possible opponents, year in year out for a decade and you're complaining about 'names'? Names don't matter. Records do. The opponents he beat have records that are as good as they come, prior to them facing Wladimir Klitschko. Why should 'name' matter?

[Mr Objecitivity]

word haha

I also think its ****** that he keeps bringing up the number of fights he had (19) comparing them to others etc...

imo the number of fights dont matter really

you are either ready for the top fighters at the pro level or you are not (also promoters have alot to do with this)

Number of fights do matter. Otherwise, we will be comparing apples to oranges and not apples to apples or oranges to oranges.

To compare apples to apples or oranges to oranges, we must compare two boxers by the same number of bouts.

We know Tyson Fury, in his first 20 bouts has been inferior to Anthony Joshua.

Anthony Joshua is superior to Tyson Fury in these ways:

1) Didn't get dropped by inferior opposition (like Nevan Pajkic).

2) Lost fewer rounds.

3) Needed less rounds in total to win his bouts.

4) Got hit less

5) Stopped more opponents


All of those FACTS objectively prove that Anthony Joshua displayed more skills and subsequently was the more skilled boxer (defensively and offensively) in his first 20 bouts than Tyson Fury was in his first 20 bouts.

Subjective concepts like footwork, head movement, stiffness, fluidity are irrelevant or are only marginally relevant. What's most relevant is actual results and the results suggests that Anthony Joshua is better offensively (because of more stoppage victories) and better defensively (for getting hit less and for losing fewer rounds than Fury).

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

1) In regards to my 9 points being lies and irrelevant. Feel free to explain how such is the case. If you already have, then I am more than willing to address them If I read them.

2) In regards to my 9 points being '******ed'. Feel free to offer alternative 'NON-******ED' points which substantiate your claim of other past heavyweight champions being the greatest / best or being greater / better than Wladimir Klitschko. So far, you haven't done so.

3) In regards to him losing fewest rounds. Despite those losses you've mentioned, he still lost fewer rounds than any other past heavyweight champion. Especially when taking into consideration he has had 69 professional bouts and 23 world championship title bouts. All of which are more than what other past heavyweight champions accomplished, especially against real heavyweights opponents (boxers weighing 200 pounds or more). I've seen past heayvweight champions and nobody won as many rounds that they competed in, as much as Wladimir Klitschko did. Those early losses, along with his loss at around age 40 to Fury or Joshua doesn't change this fact!!

4) In regards to Wlad's win / loss ratio. I stated Wlad has one of the best win / loss ratio. Not the best! So your point is moot in regards to a few others who may have had a better one!

5) In regards to defeating more mandatory challengers being irrelevant. Perhaps! However, I also added with mandatory challengers 'TOP RANKED OPPONENTS (boxers ranked in the top 10 of the heavyweight rankings). That however, is absolutely relevant. It shows the level / quality of opposition he has defeated and he has defeated more of them, more convincingly and impressively than any other past heavyweight champion has.

6) In regards to boxers like Alex Leapai being Wlad's mandatory. So what? What is your point?

7) In regards to Wlad knocking out more southpaws than any past heavyweight champion. He defeated and stopped more southpaws (that were actually proven, qualified and deserved to box against him). As in, they were the best possible ones. Lennox Lewis avoided all southpaws during his time. Hence, 0 wins against southpaws. Likewise, Mike Tyson is the same! Whilst other heavyweight champions mostly boxed against southpaws that wouldn't even qualify as 'heavyweights' today. Ergo, they are irrelevant!

8) In regards to Wlad having highest number of title defenses. Against real heavyweights that would be considered heavyweights today (boxers weighing 200 pounds or more). Yes, he absolutely does!

9) In regards to the heavyweight division being unlimited and you don't have to be over 200 pounds to be a heavyweight. Incorrect! To qualify as a heavyweight today, one must weigh 200 pounds or more. The heavyweight division is only unlimited from 200 pounds and onward. Meaning, as long as a boxer weighs above 200 pounds, they can weigh whatever afterwards and onward from 200 pounds.

10) In regards to Joe Louis having 26 title defenses with Wlad having 23. I've already addressed this. Joe Louis has merely 8 title defenses against boxers who would qualify as heavyweights today (boxers who weighed 200 pounds or more). On the other hand, Wladimir Klitschko has 23 title defenses against legitimate heavyweights by modern standard. So again, perhaps recheck your 'facts'?

11) In regards to which 'elite' opponent Wlad has beaten. Well first, define the word 'elite' in a strictly mathematical / scientific way which can be verified and tested using a mathematical / scientific criteria. Until then, that word remains meaningless since I only deal with objective points in relation to these topics.

12) In regards to names of opponents Wladimir Klitschko beat. He beat every possible opponent that was qualified to box against him or deserved a bout against him. Excluding his older brother Vitali Klitschko. I challenge you to find a boxer during his time that he could've fought who deserved a bout against him that he avoided. Go ahead! I'll wait!

He beat the best possible opponents, year in year out for a decade and you're complaining about 'names'? Names don't matter. Records do. The opponents he beat have records that are as good as they come, prior to them facing Wladimir Klitschko. Why should 'name' matter?

If you actually think I was gonna read more of your nonesense your more ******ed than I thought. Your not on my level boy.
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[Mr Objecitivity]

If you actually think I was gonna read more of your nonesense your more ******ed than I thought. Your not on my level boy.
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It's meant to be 'you're' and not 'your' on the highlighted words you wrote. If you're going to call someone else a ******, at least avoid committing simple errors in order to not make yourself appear' ******ed' and expose yourself as the real '******'. Since that's what you're doing. Calling someone else a '******' whilst exposing yourself to be the real '******' based on your actions.

Furthermore, spare me your self centeredness.
This a public forum / thread. Ergo, my comments weren't just written for you to read but for anybody who arrives at this thread and is interested in reading my comments. So sorry to dissapoint you if you thought my comments were solely written for you to read.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

It's meant to be 'you're' and not 'your' on the highlighted words you wrote. If you're going to call someone else a ******, at least avoid committing simple errors in order to not make yourself appear' ******ed' and expose yourself as the real '******'. Since that's what you're doing. Calling someone else a '******' whilst exposing yourself to be the real '******' based on your actions.

Furthermore, spare me your self centeredness.
This a public forum / thread. Ergo, my comments weren't just written for you to read but for anybody who arrives at this thread and is interested in reading my comments. So sorry to dissapoint you if you thought my comments were solely written for you to read.

It's called autotype *rse wipe. I don't spend a prolonged amount of time writing and checking my responses to you cause you ain't worth my time. And if your comments ain't for me don't quote/tag/reply to me you delinquent!
Last time I checked your the guy who thinks Wlad is the goat HW😂😂😂 and then tried to "substantiate" it with "he fought the most southpaws and mandatories".😭😭😭
This PROVES: "You're" 100% ******ed. And RIDDLED WITH L's.😂😂
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[Mr Objecitivity]

It's called autotype *rse wipe. I don't spend a prolonged amount of time writing and checking my responses to you cause you ain't worth my time. And if your comments ain't for me don't quote/tag/reply to me you delinquent!
Last time I checked your the guy who thinks Wlad is the goat HW������ and then tried to "substantiate" it with "he fought the most southpaws and mandatories".������
This PROVES: "You're" 100% ******ed. And RIDDLED WITH L's.����
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I don't need to spend a lot of time writing my comments and checking them either. Ergo, that's not a suitable excuse.

If you're going to call someone else a ****** online in public, at least ensure that you don't expose yourself as one by committing errors that a ****** would actually commit.

Yes, Wladimir Klitschko beat most southpaws and most diverse style of opponents = a unique accomplishment = proves his greatness because it's something unmatched / unparalleled.

Likewise, beating most top ranked opponents = also a unique accomplishment = proves Wladimir Klitschko's greatness because it's also something that is unmatched and unparalleled.

Again, prove how that proves I'm a ****** rather than just claiming you're a ******. Go ahead! So far, you've made plenty of unfounded claims that are still yet to be substantiated.

As for tagging you, I'm tagging you because others know who I'm responding to. If you don't like it, you can choose to ignore it. You're not going to command me and get me to do anything here.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I don't need to spend a lot of time writing my comments and checking them either. Ergo, that's not a suitable excuse.

If you're going to call someone else a ****** online in public, at least ensure that you don't expose yourself as one by committing errors that a ****** would actually commit.

yes, Wladimir Klitschko beat most southpaws and most diverse style of opponents = a unique accomplishment = proves his greatness because it's something unmatched / unparalleled.

Likewise, beating most top ranked opponents = also a unique accomplishment = proves Wladimir Klitschko's greatness because it's also something that is unmatched and unparalleled.

Again, prove how that proves I'm a ****** rather than just claiming you're a ******. Go ahead! So far, you've made plenty of unfounded claims that are still yet to be substantiated.

It's a boxing forum not a spelling bee, most top ranked opponents?😭😭 Give me the NAMES of these guys then. Leapai was top ranked FFS😂😂😂
Your a deluded little weirdo. Get a life!
your a certified ******!!

[ArtyApe]

Ha Wlad the greatest puncher lol that's a good laugh.

[Jewish-Reptile]

A fully fit Fury is more skilled than Joshua and i don't believe it is close.

Fury can box effectively on the back foot, something I am yet to see Joshua do and can back his opponents up. This is due to Fury's superior footwork. Joshua is much stiffer and looked out of his depth when he was being backed up by Klitschko.

Fury is also the more active boxer in the clinch and is great at roughing his opponents up. Fury also posses and amazing engine and could comfortably fight 15 rounds (when fit). More often than not, Joshua uses the clinch to catch his breath.

From top to bottom, Fury is the more fluid boxer and moves amazing well for a big man. However there is no question that Joshua posses the great equaliser, punch power.

15 rounds with nandrolone or without ?

[Mr Objecitivity]

It's a boxing forum not a spelling bee, most top ranked opponents?😭😭 Give me the NAMES of these guys then. Leapai was top ranked FFS😂😂😂
Your a deluded little weirdo. Get a life!
your a certified ******!!

Whether it's a boxing forum or not is irrelevant. If you're going to call someone else a ****** anywhere in public, then perhaps avoid exposing yourself as one first? It's still a public forum regardless.

1) As for providing you with names? What has 'names' got to do with quality of opposition? Record > name and Wladimir Klitschko has defeated the highest number of opponents at real heavyweight (when his opponents weigh 200 pounds or more) whom either previously had an undefeated record, or a record consisting of merely 1 or 2 losses (12 wins against such opponents which is only matched by his older brother Vitali Klitschko).

2) Wladimir Klitschko also has more knockouts in heavyweight world championship bouts than any other past heavyweight in history if we're only considering real heavyweight opponents (boxers weighing 200 pounds or more) and non bummy opponents (a boxer who has less than 12 fights in his whole career or has lost 25% (or more) of fights of his WinLossCareerRecord. )