How is Tyson Fury a more skilled boxer than Anthony Joshua when:

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

"he beat NOBODY on the level of a Foreman, Fraizer, Liston, Patterson etc. Wlad's resume is substandard compared to the majority of all other great HW's. There's no denying it. "

Read the above quote simpleton..... read it bc you wrote it .

How do you know Povetkin, Pulev ,Haye or Ibragimov to name a few couldn't beat some of those names or be champions in other eras ? Heres where your mistake was you idiot bc we could just point out that Foreman lost easy to win fights in both eras to Young and Shultz among others .

We could point out Liston has no key win with anyone over 200 pounds really except Williams and a guy like Patterson who was a 190 pound fighter has the record for being dropped the most as HW champion with almost 20 visits to the canvas so im not sure bringing up chins is a good idea do you?

Your continued lack of the sports concept in general is no surprise ,you actually think comparing Klitchko to other top era guys somehow puts him down a notch .

No simpleton bc you also match Klitchko with the same fighters that they did to get a evaluation of head to head matches and when you do that you see Klitchko defeats most easier than they did also combine that with how he dominated his fights...ha ha what a little simpleton you are....................... .




So go ahead enlighten me with your limited IQ straw man logic on how Klitchkos resume is substandard to MOST top HW 's bc if you do you will be the one getting grinded here thats for sure !


Heres a question for you , a simple one for a simpleTON ....lol

How would Tyson Fury do in the 1960's era ?

First off Foreman beat Schulz and was like 46 and way past his prime. Pre Ali Foreman was a beast, he’d destroy the likes of Wlad in a couple of rounds. We all know what happens when someone lands on that chin. Let’s remember in his athletic prime got KTFO by Sanders, Brewster and Purrity�������� Boxrec won’t teach you everything kid.
All those guys I named have something in common there all HOF’ers, how many HOF’ers did Wlad beat?????
That’s right ZERO!!!
Keep choking on those L’s b*tch.
LLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

1) Prove it!

2) Prove it!

3) Prove it!

4) Prove it!

5) Stop exposing your lack of logic courses taken by avoiding using logical fallacies. As stated, you're begging the question. The first logical step is to ask whether Wladimir Klitschko has a single best win or not. Otherwise, you're skipping a step.

6) I actually know Wladimir Klitschko is the greatest heavyweight of all time (based on analyzing and evaluating his record).

7) Plagued with a lack of logic courses! Perhaps take some to help you think and act a bit more rationally? Since you need it as you seemingly can't go without a single comment using ad hominem attacks and insults. That alone proves you're a ******!

1) You think Wlad is the GOAT HW that proves you’re ******ed.

2) You tried to “substantiate” it with “southpaw’s” and “mandatories”, once again proves you’re a ******

3) You can’t name any elite fighter Wlad beat. Certified ******!

4) You keep embarrassing yourself taking L after L. Retatd that’s plagued with L’s.

[juggernaut666]

First off Foreman beat Schulz and was like 46 and way past his prime. Pre Ali Foreman was a beast, he’d destroy the likes of Wlad in a couple of rounds. We all know what happens when someone lands on that chin. Let’s remember in his athletic prime got KTFO by Sanders, Brewster and Purrity😂😂😂😂 Boxrec won’t teach you everything kid.
All those guys I named have something in common there all HOF’ers, how many HOF’ers did Wlad beat?????
That’s right ZERO!!!
Keep choking on those L’s b*tch.
LLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Only a fool thinks Foreman won that fight , he clearly didnt . Just like his questionable Stewart win just like the reason why he was stripped of titles for not rematching Shultz and avoiding Tucker ..... i can go on here simpleton but you wouldn't get it if i went beyond resumes .

Who was pre Ali Foremans best win? Go ahead simpleton tell me overweight Frazier who never defeatted one true HW puncher bc he himself was a natural 205 pounder wasnt he? I'll wait !

Klitchko never got knocked out by Purity as a matter of fact he was winning almost every rnd and the fight was actually stopped as Wlad was in the process of throwing back . He was also in his early 20's and weighed around 225 and wasnt with Steward yet . You would know all this if you actually watched the fight not look on Wiki .

HOFers is a lable or status earned simpleton which Wlad did and will get him that . If you cant see Klitchko would have advantages over any of the names you mentioned or in the very least on par you are the ****** on the thread .

One things for SURE Klitchko is better than Jimmy Young with a 20% K.O percentage at 210 pounds as MANY guys he fought were right ? Go ahead simpleton tell me otherwise ?




So again who are ALL theses TOP HW's that had better resumes than Klitchko ? Did you at least rule out Patterson yet ?Hes a legend right ? This is the only thing im asking from you, weasel

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Only a fool thinks Foreman won that fight , he clearly didnt . Just like his questionable Stewart win just like the reason why he was stripped of titles for not rematching Shultz and avoiding Tucker ..... i can go on here simpleton but you wouldn't get it if i went beyond resumes .

Who was pre Ali Foremans best win? Go ahead simpleton tell me overweight Frazier who never defeatted one true HW puncher bc he himself was a natural 205 pounder wasnt he? I'll wait !

Klitchko never got knocked out by Purity as a matter of fact he was winning almost every rnd and the fight was actually stopped as Wlad was in the process of throwing back . He was also in his early 20's and weighed around 225 and wasnt with Steward yet . You would know all this if you actually watched the fight not look on Wiki .

HOFers is a lable or status earned simpleton which Wlad did and will get him that . If you cant see Klitchko would have advantages over any of the names you mentioned or in the very least on par you are the ****** on the thread .

One things for SURE Klitchko is better than Jimmy Young with a 20% K.O percentage at 210 pounds as MANY guys he fought were right ? Go ahead simpleton tell me otherwise ?




So again who are ALL theses TOP HW's that had better resumes than Klitchko ? Did you at least rule out Patterson yet ?Hes a legend right ? This is the only thing im asking from you, weasel

Owned? As if you could own anything. You probably live in your parents basement FFS😂😂😂
Foremans best win? Frazier or Norton two guys waaaay better than anyone on Wlad’s resume.😂😂
Frazier never beat a true HW puncher😂😂😂 yeah cause that 31-0(25ko’s) Muhammad Ali was feather fisted. Get real retatd. Remind me what great HW punchers did Wlad beat? Fat Sam Peter who dropped him 3 times and you called Frazier overweight you little cretin.😭😭😭

Foreman won MD 12 over Schulz. FACT.
Wlad has never beat a HOF’er. FACT.
Wlad only ever beat 1 former/current/future LINEAL HW champion. FACT. (And that was an out of shape, over the hill Hasim Rahman)

You and the other ****** think Wlad is the GOAT HW😭😭😭
Huge L’s!!!! For both of you.

Anyway it’s Friday night reatard and because I actually have a life I’m off out.
I look forward to laughing at your deluded response in the morning.

[Mr Objecitivity]

1) You think Wlad is the GOAT HW that proves you’re ******ed.

2) You tried to “substantiate” it with “southpaw’s” and “mandatories”, once again proves you’re a ******

3) You can’t name any elite fighter Wlad beat. Certified ******!

4) You keep embarrassing yourself taking L after L. Retatd that’s plagued with L’s.

You think Wlad is the GOAT HW that proves you’re ******ed.

I missed the part where you actually 'prove' HOW that makes me a ******. Until then, it is you who is exposing yourself to be the ****** via making unsubstantiated claims. It's no different from me claiming you're a ****** because you don't believe Wlad is the GOAT HW or because you believe someone else is the GOAT HW (without having any substantiations to those beliefs).

You tried to “substantiate” it with “southpaw’s” and “mandatories”, once again proves you’re a ******

Once again, I missed the part where you actually 'proved' HOW that makes me a ******. My points related to southpaws and mandatories were about accomplishments. On the other hand, you haven't substantiated any of your claims with any factual evidence. Ergo, that is greater indication of a ******ed act than the things I've done.

You can’t name any elite fighter Wlad beat. Certified ******!

Maybe I could, if you actually define the vague word 'elite' in your vague question. You are a certified irrational incompetent in need of logic courses!

You keep embarrassing yourself taking L after L. Retatd that’s plagued with L’s.

You keep embarrassing yourself by exposing your need of logic courses, again and again that is plagued with an irrational incompetent.


Simple logical syllogism:

1) Being the best /greatest heavyweight champion means to be better than all other heavyweight champions.

2) Being better than all other heavyweight champions means having a better record in championship bouts in relation to the objective of boxing (winning more bouts, getting hit less by the opponent (defensive abilities), landing more effective punches on the opponent (offensive abilities), winning more rounds (combination of offensive and defensive abilities), winning bouts quicker (offensive abilities) and so forth so on).

3) Wladimir Klitschko has the best record out of all heavyweight champions because he has more wins in championship bouts (most proven due to highest consistency), has the highest knockout percentage in championship bouts compared to any past heavyweight champion (best offensive skills), has lost fewer rounds compared to any past heavyweight champion (best offensive and defensive skills), has knocked out more previously unbeaten and UN-KO'ed opponents compared to any past heavyweight champion in history (most proven against the best level of opposition showing the best offensive skills against them) and so forth so on. I can continue listing even more accomplishments but the point is pretty clear!

I challenge you to refute my argument for why Wladimir Klitschko isn't the greatest heavyweight of all time and make a fact based, objective and logical argument to demonstrate how any other heavyweight champion is greater than Wladimir Klitschko or the greatest overall! Somehow I doubt you can do that.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Only a fool thinks Foreman won that fight , he clearly didnt . Just like his questionable Stewart win just like the reason why he was stripped of titles for not rematching Shultz and avoiding Tucker ..... i can go on here simpleton but you wouldn't get it if i went beyond resumes .

Who was pre Ali Foremans best win? Go ahead simpleton tell me overweight Frazier who never defeatted one true HW puncher bc he himself was a natural 205 pounder wasnt he? I'll wait !

Klitchko never got knocked out by Purity as a matter of fact he was winning almost every rnd and the fight was actually stopped as Wlad was in the process of throwing back . He was also in his early 20's and weighed around 225 and wasnt with Steward yet . You would know all this if you actually watched the fight not look on Wiki .

HOFers is a lable or status earned simpleton which Wlad did and will get him that . If you cant see Klitchko would have advantages over any of the names you mentioned or in the very least on par you are the ****** on the thread .

One things for SURE Klitchko is better than Jimmy Young with a 20% K.O percentage at 210 pounds as MANY guys he fought were right ? Go ahead simpleton tell me otherwise ?




So again who are ALL theses TOP HW's that had better resumes than Klitchko ? Did you at least rule out Patterson yet ?Hes a legend right ? This is the only thing im asking from you, weasel

I find it abnormally intriguing that boxing fans continue to overrate ancient boxers whilst severely underrating modern boxers. In other sports, fans come to the acceptance that modern athletes are superior due to the advancement in nutrition, training methods, tactics and so forth so on. However, it seems boxing is one of the only few sports where a specific set of fans just can't seem to accept that modern boxers have improved compared to past boxers.

Whether the cause of it is nostalgia or simply a lack of logical thinking abilities of boxing fans compared to fans of other sports. The fact is, objective analysis and evaluation will lead to the conclusion that the sport of boxing has evolved and changed so much, that many past heavyweight champions and their opponents may not even be allowed to compete against modern heavyweights.

I would really prefer it if someone actually objectively demonstrated how past heavyweights or boxers in general are so much better than those modern boxers. Instead, all I get is blind belief like it's gospel truth that past boxers are better than modern ones, without any objective evidence being provided for that position.

[juggernaut666]

I find it abnormally intriguing that boxing fans continue to overrate ancient boxers whilst severely underrating modern boxers. In other sports, fans come to the acceptance that modern athletes are superior due to the advancement in nutrition, training methods, tactics and so forth so on. However, it seems boxing is one of the only few sports where a specific set of fans just can't seem to accept that modern boxers have improved compared to past boxers.

Whether the cause of it is nostalgia or simply a lack of logical thinking abilities of boxing fans compared to fans of other sports. The fact is, objective analysis and evaluation will lead to the conclusion that the sport of boxing has evolved and changed so much, that many past heavyweight champions and their opponents may not even be allowed to compete against modern heavyweights.

I would really prefer it if someone actually objectively demonstrated how past heavyweights or boxers in general are so much better than those modern boxers. Instead, all I get is blind belief like it's gospel truth that past boxers are better than modern ones, without any objective evidence being provided for that position.

The boxing fan , casual or hardcore are the least practical or logical out of all combat sports .


Imagine if MMA fans STILL claimed Royce Gracie was the greatest or best fighter in UFC history ?

Because thats what the boxing fan generally does in their OWN sport with majority past era champions who clearly would not win today.

Gracie was the first ever UFC champion in 1993 almost 25 years ago which is about 200 years in boxing time line bc that sport progresses rapidly .In short Ali will never be out done , Joe Louis is invincible mentality is always a set reminder to what im actually dealing with when stepping foot in the boxing community . Sometimes i have to actually dumb myself down to just try and make it a logical conversation . lol


If i had to make say a HW MMA list of top 10 fighters of all time head to head only a FEW past time guys make the list . Boxing would be no different and even fewer at the top bc boxing is just one skill set with far limited rules which off sets many other intangibles so its by FAR easier to figure out an educated opinion .

[juggernaut666]

Owned? As if you could own anything. You probably live in your parents basement FFS😂😂😂
Foremans best win? Frazier or Norton two guys waaaay better than anyone on Wlad’s resume.😂😂
Frazier never beat a true HW puncher😂😂😂 yeah cause that 31-0(25ko’s) Muhammad Ali was feather fisted. Get real retatd. Remind me what great HW punchers did Wlad beat? Fat Sam Peter who dropped him 3 times and you called Frazier overweight you little cretin.😭😭😭

Foreman won MD 12 over Schulz. FACT.
Wlad has never beat a HOF’er. FACT.
Wlad only ever beat 1 former/current/future LINEAL HW champion. FACT. (And that was an out of shape, over the hill Hasim Rahman)

You and the other ****** think Wlad is the GOAT HW😭😭😭
Huge L’s!!!! For both of you.

Anyway it’s Friday night reatard and because I actually have a life I’m off out.
I look forward to laughing at your deluded response in the morning.

I never claimed Wlad was the GOAT bc i have different criteria for that ,however i have him in top 5 H2H based on what he could actually do in REAL life combined with statistical FACTS you simpleton. Another fact is i can live on my parents roof it still wouldn't change the fact im showing you just how limited your boxing IQ is would it ?

So Norton who lost to Cooney and anyone with a punch is Foremans best win right ? haha see what i just did there ?

Ali wasnt a power puncher anyone with that uses even half their brain knows this and that the fact Ali never considered himself a hard puncher (though statistics would show that anyway ) makes anyone claiming other wise look foolish doesnt it , simpleton?

You forgot to tell me where would Tyson Fury rank in the 60's ?


Do you think Jimmy Young us better than Klitchko its a yes or no question ? lol

You forgot to tell me ALL the resumes that rank over Wlad as well ? Oh thats right bc you cant bc therers not many at all ....haha you little worm .

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I missed the part where you actually 'prove' HOW that makes me a ******. Until then, it is you who is exposing yourself to be the ****** via making unsubstantiated claims. It's no different from me claiming you're a ****** because you don't believe Wlad is the GOAT HW or because you believe someone else is the GOAT HW (without having any substantiations to those beliefs).




Once again, I missed the part where you actually 'proved' HOW that makes me a ******. My points related to southpaws and mandatories were about accomplishments. On the other hand, you haven't substantiated any of your claims with any factual evidence. Ergo, that is greater indication of a ******ed act than the things I've done.



Maybe I could, if you actually define the vague word 'elite' in your vague question. You are a certified irrational incompetent in need of logic courses!



You keep embarrassing yourself by exposing your need of logic courses, again and again that is plagued with an irrational incompetent.


Simple logical syllogism:

1) Being the best /greatest heavyweight champion means to be better than all other heavyweight champions.

2) Being better than all other heavyweight champions means having a better record in championship bouts in relation to the objective of boxing (winning more bouts, getting hit less by the opponent (defensive abilities), landing more effective punches on the opponent (offensive abilities), winning more rounds (combination of offensive and defensive abilities), winning bouts quicker (offensive abilities) and so forth so on).

3) Wladimir Klitschko has the best record out of all heavyweight champions because he has more wins in championship bouts (most proven due to highest consistency), has the highest knockout percentage in championship bouts compared to any past heavyweight champion (best offensive skills), has lost fewer rounds compared to any past heavyweight champion (best offensive and defensive skills), has knocked out more previously unbeaten and UN-KO'ed opponents compared to any past heavyweight champion in history (most proven against the best level of opposition showing the best offensive skills against them) and so forth so on. I can continue listing even more accomplishments but the point is pretty clear!

I challenge you to refute my argument for why Wladimir Klitschko isn't the greatest heavyweight of all time and make a fact based, objective and logical argument to demonstrate how any other heavyweight champion is greater than Wladimir Klitschko or the greatest overall! Somehow I doubt you can do that.

Do you really think I was gonna read this BS???😭😭😭😭

Why do I need to “define” everything for you? Can you not comprehend how words work???
I’m done with both you ******s. Mark Twain has a famous quote about people like you...

I’ve wasted enough of my time trying to enlighten you ignoramuses. Some people are beyond help you are one of them.

Not even the best HW in his family😭😭😭
Certified ******😂😂😂

[juggernaut666]

I missed the part where you actually 'prove' HOW that makes me a ******. Until then, it is you who is exposing yourself to be the ****** via making unsubstantiated claims. It's no different from me claiming you're a ****** because you don't believe Wlad is the GOAT HW or because you believe someone else is the GOAT HW (without having any substantiations to those beliefs).




Once again, I missed the part where you actually 'proved' HOW that makes me a ******. My points related to southpaws and mandatories were about accomplishments. On the other hand, you haven't substantiated any of your claims with any factual evidence. Ergo, that is greater indication of a ******ed act than the things I've done.



Maybe I could, if you actually define the vague word 'elite' in your vague question. You are a certified irrational incompetent in need of logic courses!



You keep embarrassing yourself by exposing your need of logic courses, again and again that is plagued with an irrational incompetent.


Simple logical syllogism:

1) Being the best /greatest heavyweight champion means to be better than all other heavyweight champions.

2) Being better than all other heavyweight champions means having a better record in championship bouts in relation to the objective of boxing (winning more bouts, getting hit less by the opponent (defensive abilities), landing more effective punches on the opponent (offensive abilities), winning more rounds (combination of offensive and defensive abilities), winning bouts quicker (offensive abilities) and so forth so on).

3) Wladimir Klitschko has the best record out of all heavyweight champions because he has more wins in championship bouts (most proven due to highest consistency), has the highest knockout percentage in championship bouts compared to any past heavyweight champion (best offensive skills), has lost fewer rounds compared to any past heavyweight champion (best offensive and defensive skills), has knocked out more previously unbeaten and UN-KO'ed opponents compared to any past heavyweight champion in history (most proven against the best level of opposition showing the best offensive skills against them) and so forth so on. I can continue listing even more accomplishments but the point is pretty clear!

I challenge you to refute my argument for why Wladimir Klitschko isn't the greatest heavyweight of all time and make a fact based, objective and logical argument to demonstrate how any other heavyweight champion is greater than Wladimir Klitschko or the greatest overall! Somehow I doubt you can do that.

And not for nothing this post above you wrote is FAR to advanced for this kid ...........it will go WAY over his head resulting in even more lost , topsey turvey responses !