How is Tyson Fury a more skilled boxer than Anthony Joshua when:

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I don't need to spend a lot of time writing my comments and checking them either. Ergo, that's not a suitable excuse.

If you're going to call someone else a ****** online in public, at least ensure that you don't expose yourself as one by committing errors that a ****** would actually commit.

Yes, Wladimir Klitschko beat most southpaws and most diverse style of opponents = a unique accomplishment = proves his greatness because it's something unmatched / unparalleled.

Likewise, beating most top ranked opponents = also a unique accomplishment = proves Wladimir Klitschko's greatness because it's also something that is unmatched and unparalleled.

Again, prove how that proves I'm a ****** rather than just claiming you're a ******. Go ahead! So far, you've made plenty of unfounded claims that are still yet to be substantiated.

As for tagging you, I'm tagging you because others know who I'm responding to. If you don't like it, you can choose to ignore it. You're not going to command me and get me to do anything here.

Whether it's a boxing forum or not is irrelevant. If you're going to call someone else a ****** anywhere in public, then perhaps avoid exposing yourself as one first? It's still a public forum regardless.

1) As for providing you with names? What has 'names' got to do with quality of opposition? Record > name and Wladimir Klitschko has defeated the highest number of opponents at real heavyweight (when his opponents weigh 200 pounds or more) whom either previously had an undefeated record, or a record consisting of merely 1 or 2 losses (12 wins against such opponents which is only matched by his older brother Vitali Klitschko).

2) Wladimir Klitschko also has more knockouts in heavyweight world championship bouts than any other past heavyweight in history if we're only considering real heavyweight opponents (boxers weighing 200 pounds or more) and non bummy opponents (a boxer who has less than 12 fights in his whole career or has lost 25% (or more) of fights of his WinLossCareerRecord. )

You can't provide any NAMES cause you know he beat NOBODY on the level of a Foreman, Fraizer, Liston, Patterson etc. Wlad's resume is substandard compared to the majority of all other great HW's. There's no denying it.
What's Wlad's best win??? Give me a name!
This sport goes far deeper than statistics moron!
You are a deluded, ******ed idiot who has A LOT to learn...
...you're Beyond Help!

[Mr Objecitivity]

You can't provide any NAMES cause you know he beat NOBODY on the level of a Foreman, Fraizer, Liston, Patterson etc. Wlad's resume is substandard compared to the majority of all other great HW's. There's no denying it.
What's Wlad's best win??? Give me a name!
This sport goes far deeper than statistics moron!
You are a deluded, ******ed idiot who has A LOT to learn...
...you're Beyond Help!

1) In regards to providing 'names'. Oh yes I can! However, what relevance does the 'name' of a boxer have with their quality or their level? To me, the name of a boxer is no more relevant than their nationality, race, background, place of citizen and etc in relation to their level or quality. Until you explain the relevance, I have no reason to start giving out names since I deem it currently irrelevant.

2) In regards to Wladimir Klitschko's resume being substandard compared to majority of all other great heavyweights. Well, can you prove this OBJECTIVELY and irrefutably?

3) In regards to Wladimir Klitschko not beating anybody at the level of Foreman, Frazier, Patterson, Liston and etc. Can you prove that all of those boxers are at a higher / better level than some of Wladimir Klitschko's best opponents who were previously unbeaten, prior to boxing against him or previously UN-KO'ed, prior to boxing against him or those who have beaten the next best possible opponents to earn a shot against him? On what basis are you implying that those aforementioned boxers you listed are better than Wladimir Klitschko's best opponents objectively?

4) In regards to what's Wlad's best win is. What does 'best' win supposed to win? Go ahead and define it!

5) In regards to this sport going deeper than statistics. Guess what? Statistics are facts and if you think there are things that go deeper than facts, why don't you mention those things and explain how they are deeper than facts? Feel free to go ahead! How does anything else, other than facts allow us to come to the most appropriate conclusion?

I don't even have to insult you here or use ad - hominem attacks like you've used against me. Your incapability so far to back your points up or substantiate your claims is what speaks volumes about you at a personal level.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

1) In regards to providing 'names'. Oh yes I can! However, what relevance does the 'name' of a boxer have with their quality or their level? To me, the name of a boxer is no more relevant than their nationality, race, background, place of citizen and etc in relation to their level or quality. Until you explain the relevance, I have no reason to start giving out names since I deem it currently irrelevant.

2) In regards to Wladimir Klitschko's resume being substandard compared to majority of all other great heavyweights. Well, can you prove this OBJECTIVELY and irrefutably?

3) In regards to Wladimir Klitschko not beating anybody at the level of Foreman, Frazier, Patterson, Liston and etc. Can you prove that all of those boxers are at a higher / better level than some of Wladimir Klitschko's best opponents who were previously unbeaten, prior to boxing against him or previously UN-KO'ed, prior to boxing against him or those who have beaten the next best possible opponents to earn a shot against him? On what basis are you implying that those aforementioned boxers you listed are better than Wladimir Klitschko's best opponents objectively?

4) In regards to what's Wlad's best win is. What does 'best' win supposed to win? Go ahead and define it!

5) In regards to this sport going deeper than statistics. Guess what? Statistics are facts and if you think there are things that go deeper than facts, why don't you mention those things and explain how they are deeper than facts? Feel free to go ahead! How does anything else, other than facts allow us to come to the most appropriate conclusion?

I don't even have to insult you here or use ad - hominem attacks like you've used against me. Your incapability so far to back your points up or substantiate your claims is what speaks volumes about you at a personal level.

Don't see no NAMES of elite guys Wlad beat. I wonder why??🤔🤔🤔
Maybe cause there are NONE, you say you can provide them well go ahead. Stop ducking the question; what is Wlad's best win.
Riddled with L's😂😂😂😂
Certified ******.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Don't see no NAMES of elite guys Wlad beat. I wonder why??🤔🤔🤔
Maybe cause there are NONE, you say you can provide them well go ahead. Stop ducking the question; what is Wlad's best win.
Riddled with L's😂😂😂😂
Certified ******.

Don't see no NAMES of elite guys Wlad beat.

Whilst I don't see any explanation provided by you of the significance of a boxer's 'name' in the context of ranking a boxer in the ATG rankings.

I wonder why??

Because you haven't provided any explanation of its significance!

Stop ducking the question;

Your question remains meaningless until you clarify those vague terms. Until then, your question has no worth to be answered.

what is Wlad's best win.

Define 'best win'!

Certified ******.

Prove it!

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Whilst I don't see any explanation provided by you of the significance of a boxer's 'name' in the context of ranking a boxer in the ATG rankings.



Because you haven't provided any explanation of its significance!



Your question remains meaningless until you clarify those vague terms. Until then, your question has no worth to be answered.



Define 'best win'!



Prove it!

Still ducking the question I see...because deep down you know Wlad didn’t beat anyone who is truly considered an elite HW.
I don’t need to prove your a ******...you’ve done that all by yourself.
Certified ****** that’s riddled with L’s������

[Mr Objecitivity]

Still ducking the question I see...because deep down you know Wlad didn’t beat anyone who is truly considered an elite HW.
I don’t need to prove your a ******...you’ve done that all by yourself.
Certified ****** that’s riddled with L’s������

Still ducking a clarification of your question and making it meaningful. I see... because deep down, you probably know your question has no relevance to the topic being discussed.

Yes, you've got to prove your claims. Otherwise, it is you who is proving your own-self to be the ******. My claims are substantiated. Your claims are however mere speculations!

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Ganstaz003 getting schooled. Take the L son and move on.

[Mr Objecitivity]

^ How am I getting schooled from someone who is merely making unsubstantiated claims and someone who's failed to refute any fact that I've posted to back up my own claims?

[Damn Wicked]

A "name" is only someone who is popular/ well known. It doesn't mean that the "name" is a special fighter. In the 50's, 60's and especially the 70's there were more "names" because the sport was MUCH more popular with the casual sports fans. The 70's was an era of "names" because it was THE biggest era of the heavyweight.

[Mr Objecitivity]

A "name" is only someone who is popular/ well known. It doesn't mean that the "name" is a special fighter. In the 50's, 60's and especially the 70's there were more "names" because the sport was MUCH more popular with the casual sports fans. The 70's was an era of "names" because it was THE biggest era of the heavyweight.

Exactly this! The above user erroneously correlates 'name' of a boxer to the boxer's quality.

Never mind the fact that Wladimir Klitschko has defeated and knocked out more previously unbeaten opponents (who themselves have also beaten unbeaten opponents) than Muhammad Ali. However, somehow merely coming up with names of Muhammad Ali's opponents is meant to impress an objective individual like me without actually proving how they are of a better quality than the unbeaten + non - bummy opponents (Below Usable Measure = a boxer with less than 12 fights in his whole career or has lost 25% (or more) of fights of his WinLossCareerRecord) opponents of Wladimir Klitschko