Shelly Finkel in 2015 - "Wilder Will Not Be Rushed To Klitschko"

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  • daggum
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    #41
    Originally posted by JRB123
    Nah fam...they couldn't get the Wilder-Povetkin fight in the US.

    Haymon has money but he doesn't use it towards these fights getting made like that
    i was actually kidding about haymon having money. he has none now. he spent it all giving guys like lara mllion dollar paydays against rodriguez. its a shame really. he should have been saving up for these big money fights and keeping guys like lara on bounce tv for small paychecks.

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    • sunny31
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      #42
      Originally posted by larryxxx.
      So you dont want Joshua-Wilder?
      Straw man.

      Whats the rush?

      Yes like everyone else I want the fight, but I want it when BOTH guys are at the top of their game, not just one of them. That doesn't mean I think Wilder wins the fight today, I just think Wilder has a way better chance than he would if Joshua got more experience under his belt.

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      • W1LL
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        #43
        Shelly Finkel was right, let's be honest. Deontay Wilder is now set in his ways and comfortable with who he is. He has little to no skill but his windmill punch will take anybody down. He has the bigger fight experience and has developed that KO style. Without the experience he might have had the notion to try and box with a more experienced champion.

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          #44
          Wilder wanted absolutely nothing to do with Wladimir Klitschko, that much was crystal clear. Deontay needed Tyson Fury to do the work for him.

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          • LetOutTheCage
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            #45
            Off topic but what kind of man is called Shelly? I genuinely thought it was a woman until I heard him speak on the podcast.

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              #46
              Originally posted by Redd Foxx
              And.... you didn't answer the question, just like I predicted.
              That's ok, go about your business. I was foolish to expect you to have the integrity to answer that. I won't bother you anymore.
              I gave you a CLEAR answer to the differences between Wilder DUCKING Klitchko and Joshua not fighting Wilder yet, if you cant read that makes you an idiot then ? And you wont bother me anymore bc you're absolutely ignorant on this subject !

              Look who the DEFLECTOR is now ?


              One question if you have the BALLS to answer it . Lets see who has integrity and who doesn't ......................

              WHEN was Joshua EVER in a position to fight Wilder yet since he is avoiding Wilder according to YOU the guy who has been questioning why this fight hasnt happened yet for a good year now more or less ?
              Last edited by juggernaut666; 11-08-2017, 06:23 AM.

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                #47
                Originally posted by sunny31
                Straw man.

                Whats the rush?

                Yes like everyone else I want the fight, but I want it when BOTH guys are at the top of their game, not just one of them. That doesn't mean I think Wilder wins the fight today, I just think Wilder has a way better chance than he would if Joshua got more experience under his belt.
                The fight should happen summer of next year, I think both guys can/should squeeze in a fight but it's a risky strategy because one bad performance from Wilder against Whyte will level the hype and intrigue for this fight.

                The ducking claims against Joshua are out of hand though.... as long as the fight happens next year it's all good by me. I know a fight like this needs plenty of negotiation with the egos involved. If the fight doesn't happen next year then (assuming Wilder doesn't price himself out) yeah you can start beating the drums of ducking.

                One thing I find strange is the talk of Joshua needing time to develop for Wilder as if Wilder isn't coming into this fight with a whole lot of faults himself, that's not a valid excuse and I say that as a fan of Joshua. He's holding 2 world titles.... he can't push back fights to develop himself. If Wilder with all of his deficiencies is willing to jump in there then AJ should be just as bold.

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by Redd Foxx
                  Stopped reading after you called me out and then immediately admitted "he offered it". I'm not playing semantics with you guys. Your fan loyalty has you so fking confused on this subject.
                  There's a massive difference between offering a fight with Whyte to build the Joshua fight in the Summer and "demanding" he fight Whyte before Joshua.

                  "Demanding" implies he HAS to fight Whyte first, that's just blatantly untrue.

                  Semantics has nothing to do with it.

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by NaijaD
                    The fight should happen summer of next year, I think both guys can/should squeeze in a fight but it's a risky strategy because one bad performance from Wilder against Whyte will level the hype and intrigue for this fight.

                    The ducking claims against Joshua are out of hand though.... as long as the fight happens next year it's all good by me. I know a fight like this needs plenty of negotiation with the egos involved. If the fight doesn't happen next year then (assuming Wilder doesn't price himself out) yeah you can start beating the drums of ducking.

                    One thing I find strange is the talk of Joshua needing time to develop for Wilder as if Wilder isn't coming into this fight with a whole lot of faults himself, that's not a valid excuse and I say that as a fan of Joshua. He's holding 2 world titles.... he can't push back fights to develop himself. If Wilder with all of his deficiencies is willing to jump in there then AJ should be just as bold.
                    I agree with everything apart from the last paragraph. I think Wilder has flaws obviously, but you have to compare them on a relative level. Wilder has a lot more professional experience, has had many more fights/camps and has matured as a fighter, he isn't on his steep learning curve anymore. Joshua still is, he is still learning his craft, and you are right he is doing it under the spotlight, and to a certain extent they can't hold the titles hostage, I think that is why taking the Martin fight was something they really had to think about.

                    That doesn't mean Joshua has to jump when they say so either, the Wilder camp know what they are doing. They know right now Joshua is an immature fighter, just as Wilder was in 2014-15, and this is the time to potentially take him out. If he has time to iron out some of those flaws the fight gets much harder.

                    Having said all that, I agree with the timeline, and I think that is what will happen.

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                    • sunny31
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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Vinnykin
                      There's a massive difference between offering a fight with Whyte to build the Joshua fight in the Summer and "demanding" he fight Whyte before Joshua.

                      "Demanding" implies he HAS to fight Whyte first, that's just blatantly untrue.

                      Semantics has nothing to do with it.
                      I was going to reply with something similar, but it seemed like a waste of time. His whole argument is pretty baseless and hinges on distorted facts.

                      Anyway thanks. Good post.

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