Comments Thread For: Whyte Livid With WBC - Breazeale-Molina Winner in Line For Wilder

[Robbie Barrett]

Whyte has a better resume than Wilder. Chisora is better than Stiverne.

[N/A]

Any link for Stiverne's public confirmation that he stepped aside only for Ortiz?

http://www.boxingscene.com/bermane-s...happen--121771

The primary reason Bermane Stiverne was willing to step aside and allow the Deontay Wilder-Luis Ortiz fight to be made was because he was certain it wouldn’t happen.


If your position was correct, that Stiverne was stepping aside period, and not just stepping aside for Ortiz, then Stiverne's public comments wouldn't make any sense, the WBC's actions wouldn't make any sense, and this fight wouldn't be happening at all.

"Wilder’s Handlers Considering Ortiz Replacements for November 4"

Didn't matter what they were considering, Stiverne wouldn't allow it, nor would the WBC, which issued a ruling plainly stating that Ortiz was being removed and that Wilder must fight Stiverne.

These and other articles I've read say that Wilder's handlers were looking for replacements. There is nowhere any mention of Stiverne being "entitled to an immediate shot".

OMG. You are so ****ing ******. This is a giant waste of time. Good luck getting anybody to waste the time debunking you point by point when everything you post is wrong.

But just as a going away present, here is the WBC ruling:

http://wbcboxing.com/wbceng/news/940...ion-update2017

The WBC has concluded the process, according to its Clean Boxing Program protocol, in the adverse finding of Luis Ortiz. An official ruling has been sent to the corresponding parties.

The WBC has withdrawn its sanction of the Deontay Wilder vs. Ortiz fight, and Wilder will fight next his mandatory fight against Bermane Stiverne.

[N/A]

Whyte has a better resume than Wilder. Chisora is better than Stiverne.

What was Chisora ranked when Whyte beat him?

[N/A]

Before fighting or annoucing the Helenius fight (Which was put together in a few weeks by Hearn on behalf of Whyte) the WBC should have contact both Whyte and Breazeale regarding a fight. I remember Whyte didn't have a fight lined up until late or mid october.

Hearn tried being cute by low balling Breazeale when he thought he was desperate, but Haymon got the last laugh. Waiting until Whyte took the 10/28 fight before demanding that Breazeale be allowed to fight the highest available contender.

[Robbie Barrett]

What was Chisora ranked when Whyte beat him?

Nobody cares. Rankings are bull****. Stiverne is a bum.

[Ray*]

Hearn tried being cute by low balling Breazeale when he thought he was desperate, but Haymon got the last laugh. Waiting until Whyte took the 10/28 fight before demanding that Breazeale be allowed to fight the highest available contender.

Ok, so there was talk of those two fighting. Doesn't the WBC do like a purse bid in that instance?

[1hourRun]

Luie telling it like it is **** DILLIAN SHYTE!

[nixxter]

http://www.boxingscene.com/bermane-s...happen--121771

The primary reason Bermane Stiverne was willing to step aside and allow the Deontay Wilder-Luis Ortiz fight to be made was because he was certain it wouldn’t happen.

If your position was correct, that Stiverne was stepping aside period, and not just stepping aside for Ortiz, then Stiverne's public comments wouldn't make any sense, the WBC's actions wouldn't make any sense, and this fight wouldn't be happening at all.

My position is based on numerous articles according to which after Ortiz failed his drug test Wilder's handlers were looking for replacements. And there were talks of Stiverne stepping aside way before Ortiz was in the picture, Wilder supposedly never intended to fight Stiverne again, that's at least what he had been saying for months anyway. Would Wilder's handlers be looking for replacements and would the Wilder - Stiverne II announcement come almost a week after Ortiz results came out if Wilder was contractually obligated to fight Stiverne? I don't think so.

OMG. You are so ****ing ******. This is a giant waste of time. Good luck getting anybody to waste the time debunking you point by point when everything you post is wrong.

You are right this is a waste of time as you can't debunk anything. You pretend to have inside information about Stiverne's step-aside agreement, about Breazeale - Molina fight agreement including Breazeale's purse, as well as Hearn's offer to Breazeale. The reality is you don't know anything more than what's publicly available, and that's not much. But keep pretending you know things you don't, it only weakens your arguments and lowers your credibility.

From what I know, I'm willing to bet Breazeale is fighting Molina for much less than what he was offered to fight Whyte and I'm sure the numbers will come out sooner or later, proving that Breazeale ducked Whyte just as Wilder did. And as I said, a Breazeale - Whyte fight would have been a proper way to determine the mandatory as opposed to the farce we have now.

[Mammoth]

Dillian Whyte won an eliminator less than a year ago, but not a final eliminator.

Stiverne was already mandatory and agreed to face Breazeale in a final eliminator. When King Kong's drug test messed up the card, Breazeale's final eliminator can't just be taken away from him. Lawsuit waiting to happen. So the WBC's only choice was to have Breazeale fight the next available leading contender, which ended up being Molina.

Whyte fought on 10/28, so obviously he was unavailable for the 11/4 final eliminator. That's why he was skipped over.

Whyte will get a final eliminator next year and if he wins, he'll be the mandatory for 2019, which means it could take until 2020 to force the fight.

Welcome to boxing.

Good posts.....

[juggernaut666]

My position is based on numerous articles according to which after Ortiz failed his drug test Wilder's handlers were looking for replacements. And there were talks of Stiverne stepping aside way before Ortiz was in the picture, Wilder supposedly never intended to fight Stiverne again, that's at least what he had been saying for months anyway. Would Wilder's handlers be looking for replacements and would the Wilder - Stiverne II announcement come almost a week after Ortiz results came out if Wilder was contractually obligated to fight Stiverne? I don't think so.




You are right this is a waste of time as you can't debunk anything. You pretend to have inside information about Stiverne's step-aside agreement, about Breazeale - Molina fight agreement including Breazeale's purse, as well as Hearn's offer to Breazeale. The reality is you don't know anything more than what's publicly available, and that's not much. But keep pretending you know things you don't, it only weakens your arguments and lowers your credibility.

From what I know, I'm willing to bet Breazeale is fighting Molina for much less than what he was offered to fight Whyte and I'm sure the numbers will come out sooner or later, proving that Breazeale ducked Whyte just as Wilder did. And as I said, a Breazeale - Whyte fight would have been a proper way to determine the mandatory as opposed to the farce we have now.

Breazeale wouldn't care if ge got less for Molina bc a win gets him more money against Wilder ,in the process a win gets him a title so the money position wouldn't make sense to take a Whyte fight and risk it bc Molina is by far more winnable .