Comments Thread For: Whyte Livid With WBC - Breazeale-Molina Winner in Line For Wilder

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Again, there was no contract signed for the Breazeale - Stiverne fight.

False.

And we don't know what happened with that Stiverne step-aside money and how in hell he got elevated back to mandatory position.

False. He was mandatory back along. He didn't have to be elevated back to mandatory. The second Ortiz was out, Stiverne was automatically back in as the step aside agreement didn't allow Wilder to fight anyone other than Ortiz without first fighting Stiverne.

After Wilder - Stiverne II was announced, Breazeale was dropped from the event and he was looking for opponents.

False. He was always going to fight 11/4. Haymon doesn't speak to the media, which causes the media to guess most of the time. Breazeale on 11/4 was the plan all along.

He wanted a substantial amount (probably seven figures) to fight Whyte on Joshua - Takam's undercard.

False. Wouldn't have taken anywhere near 7 figures to get that fight done.

Haymon advised Breazeale not to take the Whyte fight and offered him to fight Molina instead.

True. He was told he should take the final eliminator instead of fighting Whyte for no reason and less money.

You can bet he's fighting Molina for a few times less what he was offered to fight Whyte

False. He's making more against Molina, which is why he took the Molina fight. The Whyte offer was a joke. Hearn thought he was desperate and didn't realize Haymon was about to outfox him to prevent Whyte from becoming mandatory.

[Jewish-Reptile]

So Breazeale/Molina is for a shot at Wilder or a semi eliminator ?

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So Breazeale/Molina is for a shot at Wilder or a semi eliminator ?

It is a final eliminator due to extenuating circumstances.

Stiverne was already the mandatory, but was paid to put his mandatory status up for grabs against Breazeale. When Ortiz failed his test, Stiverne moved in to replace Ortiz, but Breazeale was already legally entitled to a final eliminator since you can't take that away from him just because Ortiz cheated, which meant the highest ranked available contender needed to fill in for Stiverne.

The WBC went through their top 15, in order, and Molina (#12) was the highest ranked challenger available on such short notice.

That is why the fight is a final eliminator.

Whyte has already won one eliminator, so the next final eliminator will be Whyte vs the highest available contender, but it could take a couple years for Whyte to get his shot. Or Hearn could pay big money to bring Breazeale over to the UK to risk his mandatory status against Whyte.

[MightyRubble]

Typical WBC

What a joke the WBC is. Regardless of the fact their rankings are a nonsense, how can the No.6 v No.12 earn a mandatory shot? Whyte has every right to be peeved. Corruption is no doubt the answer.

[Raggamuffin]

Whyte doesn't deserve his ranking. He never has and never will. ****en bum.

[Boxing Logic]

Dillian Whyte won an eliminator less than a year ago, but not a final eliminator.

Stiverne was already mandatory and agreed to face Breazeale in a final eliminator. When King Kong's drug test messed up the card, Breazeale's final eliminator can't just be taken away from him. Lawsuit waiting to happen. So the WBC's only choice was to have Breazeale fight the next available leading contender, which ended up being Molina.

Whyte fought on 10/28, so obviously he was unavailable for the 11/4 final eliminator. That's why he was skipped over.

Whyte will get a final eliminator next year and if he wins, he'll be the mandatory for 2019, which means it could take until 2020 to force the fight.

Welcome to boxing.

Completely incorrect. It was Stiverne, not Breazeale, who was rated #1, and was legally entitled to either a final eliminator, or a shot at Wilder. First he was given a final eliminator (against Breazeale), but then because of Luis Ortiz's suspension, he was simply given the shot at Wilder instead, fulfilling the WBC's obligations to their #1 contender, Bermaine Stiverne.

Breazeale, ranked at #6, is not entitled to anything. You are completely wrong and defending corruption. However, now the Wilder-Breazeale feud going back last year, as well as Luis Ortiz getting "caught" conveniently just like Povetkin, as well as the way Haymon set up Breazeale-Stiverne, all makes perfect sense. Haymon's plan was always to have Wilder fight Stiverne again, an easy fight, and then fight Breazeale next time out, another easy fight, but without Wilder getting criticized. His plan worked out perfectly, with the help of the WBC and possibly VADA as well, either knowingly or unknowingly. I mean, either the WBC has totally corrupted VADA without their knowledge, or they were always corrupt to begin with.

See how the game works? "Wilder didn't want to fight Stiverne again, but now he has to because of the WBC!" And then after that, "Wilder doesn't want to fight Breazeale, who Joshua already destroyed, but he has to because of the WBC!" Haymon just set up two gimme opponents for Wilder with built in excuses. I'd say "masterfully done," but when you have essentially unlimited power in boxing with the sanctioning bodies and apparently now both drug testing organizations in your pocket, I imagine it's a lot easier to pull off these schemes than you might think.

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What a joke the WBC is. Regardless of the fact their rankings are a nonsense, how can the No.6 v No.12 earn a mandatory shot? Whyte has every right to be peeved. Corruption is no doubt the answer.

The answer has already been given numerous times and it's not corruption.

Stiverne was already the confirmed mandatory. Stiverne asked if he could put his mandatory status on the line against #6 and the WBC said okay. This is common WBC policy. Shawn Porter is putting his WBC mandatory status on the line against Granados on the same card.

So #6 was set to face #1 in a final eliminator because #1 volunteered to fight a final eliminator even though he was already declared the mandatory challenger.

Ortiz then fails his drug test, which screwed everything up. So Stiverne took Ortiz's place in the main event and Breazeale would be forced to face the highest ranked available contender because you can't just take his eliminator away after its been promise. Not Breazeale's fault Ortiz failed a test.

#12 was the highest ranked contender willing to take the fight on such short notice. Which is why #6 is fighting #12 for the #1 spot. It's a very unusual set of circumstances caused by Ortiz failing a test.

Granados is unranked and would become #1 if he beats Porter.

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Completely incorrect. It was Stiverne, not Breazeale, who was rated #1

Nobody said otherwise, so right off the bat your opening argument is strawman. For a guy named Boxing Logic, it's not a good look for your first sentence to be a logical fallacy.

and was legally entitled to either a final eliminator, or a shot at Wilder.

Stiverne was already the officially declared mandatory. He was entitled to a shot at Wilder, not a final eliminator. He has to seek special permission from the WBC to be able to put his title shot up for grabs against Breazeale. But once Breazeale is approved for that final eliminator, you can't just take it away from him because Ortiz failed a test. So Breazeale is entitled to face the highest ranked available contender.

First he was given a final eliminator (against Breazeale), but then because of Luis Ortiz's suspension, he was simply given the shot at Wilder instead, fulfilling the WBC's obligations to their #1 contender, Bermaine Stiverne.

False. First he was given a title shot. He then volunteered for the final eliminator.

Breazeale, ranked at #6, is not entitled to anything.

False. Once he's promised the final eliminator, you can't take it away from him just because Ortiz failed a test. Breazeale has legal rights.

You are completely wrong and defending corruption. However, now the Wilder-Breazeale feud going back last year, as well as Luis Ortiz getting "caught" conveniently just like Povetkin, as well as the way Haymon set up Breazeale-Stiverne, all makes perfect sense.

And that is where you lose everyone. You tried to fake your way through sounding somewhat sane, then you devolve into nonsense conspiracies and plainly reveal that you are a lunatic.

Povetkin and Ortiz have both been caught cheating MULTIPLE TIMES.

If in your head they are clean fighters who have been framed multiple times, please seek professional help.

[Corbett]

Whyte has already fought an official eliminator Breazeale hasn't.

Whyte wanted to fight Breazeale and offered more money than he is getting to fight Molina.

There is no way the WBC will allow this fight to be a final eliminator where is the official source?

[Raggamuffin]

Thank you WBC. The WBC doesn't recognize ****en bums.