Comments Thread For: Bellew on Joshua-Wilder: No One Knows Who Deontay Wilder Is!

[lefthooklead]

Let's not forget the whole thing when Fury entered the ring after the Szpilka fight, many a UK fans were talking about Wilder at that point. Was in New York but if Fury is that well known in the UK like some like to make out Wilder should have got some rub from UK fans because why would Fury go in against someone not worthy of fighting.


So it is not like he hasn't been associated with UK fighters for a while now.

Yeah for sure.

This is the way I see it, for what its worth...(first and foremost I am a brit, but I am not a AJ nut hugger or a Wilder fan boy. I just like boxing and the best fighting the best.)

- People in the UK do know about Deontay Wilder, the casual football (soccer) fans at my work, and my other mates who only watch 2-3 fights a year have heard about Wilder.
- He fought in the UK when he windmilled Audley Harrison (who was VERY well known despite his ability) in the first round on the Amir Khan v Juilo Diaz card in Sheffield in 2013. He called out Fury after that fight.
- He has been on Sky Sports regularly with interviews, features on their website more often then any other heavyweight besides Joshua and Fury.
- He commentated on Joshua v Wlad, and had a spat with Bellew on IFLTV which has been viewed 1.5m times on youtube.
- His in ring spat with Fury after the Szpilka fight has got 4.5m views on Showtimes youtube channel.

People in England do know about Deontay Wilder, and the build up would be super easy. I don't really take that as an excuse to be honest that "He's not known".

Would the Dillian Whyte fight make him better known, of course it would. Fighting in England and beating the guy that gave Joshua a tough fight would make it considerably bigger I believe, and it would be a nice payday. However, I really don't think its necessary. It would STILL be huge in the UK regardless. Joshua just did 78,000 against Pulev / Takam FFS without much hype!! The fight, in England, is MASSIVE already.

What I will say is that I do think Deontay should do the Whyte fight, and should try and make him the mandatory to get it out of the way (I think he may be now after the Helenius eliminator..). I think Wilder knocks out Whyte within 6 & takes a stack of cash home.

As part of the deal he SHOULD be guaranteed the Joshua fight.

The Bellews, Frochs and other Matchroom/Sky boys are all following a script as they want Joshua to fight other less dangerous people before Wilder. Additionally, it gets Dillian Whyte off of Eddie Hearns case about the world title shot, Eddie knows numbers and knows that he can milk this situation for more $$ by getting the Whyte - Wilder fight on the go first.

It's all business, but the "he isn't known" or "he's not fought anyone" argument is BS in my humble opinion.

[The Gambler1981]

Yeah for sure.

This is the way I see it, for what its worth...(first and foremost I am a brit, but I am not a AJ nut hugger or a Wilder fan boy. I just like boxing and the best fighting the best.)

- People in the UK do know about Deontay Wilder, the casual football (soccer) fans at my work, and my other mates who only watch 2-3 fights a year have heard about Wilder.
- He fought in the UK when he windmilled Audley Harrison (who was VERY well known despite his ability) in the first round on the Amir Khan v Juilo Diaz card in Sheffield in 2013. He called out Fury after that fight.
- He has been on Sky Sports regularly with interviews, features on their website more often then any other heavyweight besides Joshua and Fury.
- He commentated on Joshua v Wlad, and had a spat with Bellew on IFLTV which has been viewed 1.5m times on youtube.
- His in ring spat with Fury after the Szpilka fight has got 4.5m views on Showtimes youtube channel.

People in England do know about Deontay Wilder, and the build up would be super easy. I don't really take that as an excuse to be honest that "He's not known".

Would the Dillian Whyte fight make him better known, of course it would. Fighting in England and beating the guy that gave Joshua a tough fight would make it considerably bigger I believe, and it would be a nice payday. However, I really don't think its necessary. It would STILL be huge in the UK regardless. Joshua just did 78,000 against Pulev / Takam FFS without much hype!! The fight, in England, is MASSIVE already.

What I will say is that I do think Deontay should do the Whyte fight, and should try and make him the mandatory to get it out of the way (I think he may be now after the Helenius eliminator..). I think Wilder knocks out Whyte within 6 & takes a stack of cash home.

As part of the deal he SHOULD be guaranteed the Joshua fight.

The Bellews, Frochs and other Matchroom/Sky boys are all following a script as they want Joshua to fight other less dangerous people before Wilder. Additionally, it gets Dillian Whyte off of Eddie Hearns case about the world title shot, Eddie knows numbers and knows that he can milk this situation for more $$ by getting the Whyte - Wilder fight on the go first.

It's all business, but the "he isn't known" or "he's not fought anyone" argument is BS in my humble opinion.

That is pretty on point.

My thing with the Whyte fight is that to me it is kind of an extra step that is optional. however, if the Joshua-Wilder fight is in no way meant to be next (which is pretty much how it seems to me which while I want to see it is alright and probably good for business) then what to do for Wilder.

If a fight with Joshua is on the horizon fighting Whyte really makes the most sense. Still if he does that he should get assurances that the fight he really wants will go down in fairly short order (this being boxing a lot that can happen to still put it off even if in writing) should he beat Whyte.

If Wilder was getting that vibe that it was just jerking him around and there was no Joshua fight even if he beat Whyte then I don't really fault Wilder for just doing his own thing even if for less money at that point because nothing will really change when he gets Joshua and time will take care of the build-up.

[GhostofDempsey]

For anyone who thinks he is wrong, I challenge you to ask your co-workers, fellow students, family members or just random people on the street who Deontay Wilder is and report back. My bet is you will get a lot of blank stares and wrong guesses.

[lefthooklead]

For anyone who thinks he is wrong, I challenge you to ask your co-workers, fellow students, family members or just random people on the street who Deontay Wilder is and report back. My bet is you will get a lot of blank stares and wrong guesses.

You could say that about 99% of boxers mate.

There's only about 3 of Joshua's past or potential future opponents that any of that select audience may know about and that is Klitschko, Fury or Haye. Most of them probably still wouldn't know because the fact is only a very, very small number of boxers are known to the average joe.

[GhostofDempsey]

You could say that about 99% of boxers mate.

There's only about 3 of Joshua's past or potential future opponents that any of that select audience may know about and that is Klitschko, Fury or Haye. Most of them probably still wouldn't know because the fact is only a very, very small number of boxers are known to the average joe.

When we are discussing alleged stars of boxing, a lot more people know who Klitschko, Holyfield, Lewis and even Fury were. Wilder is closing in on 40 fights and is a HW champion and virtually unknown.

[The Gambler1981]

For anyone who thinks he is wrong, I challenge you to ask your co-workers, fellow students, family members or just random people on the street who Deontay Wilder is and report back. My bet is you will get a lot of blank stares and wrong guesses.

Ok why does Showtime boxing heavily feature Wilder highlights in their current commercials, and this was before he had a fight coming up. If Wilder meant nothing and was totally unknown using him to promote your brand is foolish and something a major brand wouldn't do, right?

Also the PBC Corona commercial Wilder is in that too, why would a Mexican beer brand feature a totally unknown boxer who is not from their target market really?

[lefthooklead]

When we are discussing alleged stars of boxing, a lot more people know who Klitschko, Holyfield, Lewis and even Fury were. Wilder is closing in on 40 fights and is a HW champion and virtually unknown.

I am not sure why you are bringing Lewis and Holyfield into the equation dude as it doesn't really make much sense when you are talking about stars of boxing, not in 2017 anyway.

Fury, yeah, he's definitely more well known. Wilder, even in England, is one of the most well known Heavyweight fighters that could fight Joshua. Certainly he is the most well known international HW fighter to the UK sports fan.

But if you are talking about the average person off the street, then there are probably only about 4-5 current boxers that they would be able to name in total.

[Travycat]

I agree with the above sentiment of Wilder being asked a question which he answered. Wasn't talking immediate I do not believe. But the counter arguments of Anthony's resume aren't so astute. AJ had 3 belts at only 19 fights. Wilder has what--15--20 more fights? Bellew hit the nail on the head, earlier. It's not Wilder's fault. It's a handling situation. I don't know why they protect the guy. He's a beast that can take a shot, as well.

[Travycat]

I said it before, the counter arguments of Anthony's resume to Wilder's aren't so applicable. AJ had 3 belts at only 19 fights. Wilder has what--15--20 more fights than him; nearly double? Wilder is a beast with a great chin. It's his handlers building an American brand. He needs to step outside of them.

[iamboxing]

The man holds a prestigious belt that any past HW would want. Since when did it become a popularity contest? Besides Wlad, AJ hasn't fought anyone with a name. You can say the same thing about Wilder, but the difference is that Wilder is chomping at the bit to unify NOW while AJ's response has been, "I won't leave the UK", "Eventually, we'll fight" and other diversionary tactics like, "Fight Whyte" and now, "Well, who's Wilder anyway? Sure he holds the WBC, but he's just not as famous as Takam". Everything from AJ's camp is just BS, and it shows the level of bias because it's as clear as day they're avoiding Wilder.