Why does anyone care about Povetkin or Ortiz

[Mr Objecitivity]

I replied to your post in the other topic...

BUT.... in the case of Povetkin, the amounts that popped were minimal, with ZERO PROOF that he took it after it was banned. ZERO.

In either case, was not going to make any difference anyway and was tested clean the day of the fights which were supposed to happen.

Ortiz was popped for steroids the first time, yes.
The blood pressure meds, could they have been covering something? sure... but in any case, this was a paperwork issue.

More people would die from bad refs than people taking stuff.

If you care about folks not dying... then let's ban ALL vitamins too, right?

The reason why folks should care about Povetkin and Ortiz is that in the heavyweight division, no one comes close to their skill and they are being kept away from the $$$.

There is too much money being invested in Wilder Vs AJ and both would be destroyed if either takes a loss.... Wilder more so as at least AJ has Wlad on his resume.

If Wilder faced Povetkin or Ortiz and lost... that's it... game over for him. It would only confirm what most boxing fans already know, Chikenlegs is pure size and no skill.

I totally agree with this! Excellent comment!

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I didn't defend Povetkin for the ostarine fail. I don't know what he was thinking taking that risk so soon after his first controversy. Maybe "**** it"?

The meldonium thing was a straight up joke though. He did nothing wrong and didn't even test positive per VADA/WADA thresholds. The whole debacle seemed very political & they issued a symbolic punishment rather than admit they botched the testing.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Because I personally don't care if any boxer takes drugs or not in the 21st century. This is the modern world. Practically nobody is 100% clean. My only concern is that everyone is allowed to consume drugs. After that, I have no issue. However, if one boxer is allowed to consume drugs and not their opponent, only then it becomes a problem because then, there exists an uneven playing field. If both the boxer and the opponent are allowed to take drugs, then there is an even playing field and it's not a problem for me!

The main problem here is that the media are trying to fool others into believing that only Povetkin and Luis Ortiz are enhanced. Only a naive with limited knowledge would believe this! The likes of Anthony Joshua aren't any more 'clean' than Povetkin or Ortiz. Only the boxers with the most power (from a financial / business standpoint) aren't going to be exposed for illegally enhancing themselves.

As for deaths occurring, this is a combat sport where death can occur whether boxers take or don't take drugs. The boxers know the risk beforehand! If two boxers take drugs before the fight, then the playing field is evened out where both are at risk of death. So why should it matter?

[Commie]

Well said nothing to add

[Commie]

Because Both Povetkin and King Kong are great commie Fighters
Well schooled, quiet, throwing mean combinations beautyful to watch unlike windmill or a Cross fitter

[Commie]

Anyone with Common Sense and IQ above 55 knows that "cheater" is just a label, meaning you can't get a piece of the pie.
It works against fighters, promoters or even sports like cycling

[boliodogs]

I don't like them using PEDs but there are so few good heavyweights that we need all the good ones to make the weight class interesting. I have no way to prove it but I don't believe PEDs make a boxer hit much harder and become more likely to kill or badly injure another boxer. We had killer punchers like Liston, Joe Louis, Ray Robinson, Marciano, Rocky Graziano, Henry Armstrong, Sam Langford, Bob Fitzsimmons, Stanley Ketchel, Jack Dempsey,Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles and many more long before PEDs even existed. Some of them did kill men in the ring. Would these guys be faster, better, and punch harder and be more likely to kill or injure an opponent with the use of PEDs? I doubt it.

[The Gambler1981]

It's hard to imagine that either of these guys would get championship fights ever again. Who is going to touch them?

By the time this stuff blows over (if it ever does) they will both be past 40 anyways.

Povetkin is damn near the WBO mandatory and to win that belt all he would have to do is beat Parker he ain't that far from a belt.

Ortiz yea probably never he doesn't have the same level of backing on a state level as Povetkin.

[Guest]

Povetkin is damn near the WBO mandatory and to win that belt all he would have to do is beat Parker he ain't that far from a belt.

Ortiz yea probably never he doesn't have the same level of backing on a state level as Povetkin.

You are right. Just read Hammer-Povetkin winner gets Parker for the WBA title.

A lot could happen though before the Parker-Povetkin fight would get made.
(I don't see Hammer winning).

[john l]

I would rather see them all doing it then the way it is now.But how can just assume all are using?? And I don't think if it was your brother,friend in there most of you would feel the same way.These guys hit hard enough now plus just letting everone do it is NEVER gonna happen.I say boxing needs to do its best to rout this ***in cheats out.And also I don't think its fair to just say"aw there all doing it"Wilder aint and I really don't think Joshua is either(he would not have such bad stamina).Also I don't think some of you are thinkin about the damage it would do to the sport if somone dies and his opp turns up dirty.That would have ripple effects over whole sport.Lawsuits galore